posted Wed, 02/27/2019 - 02:12
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Carbs while on gear.
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Hi everyone, new to the site. Hope I have the right forum if not just direct me to the right one thanks. This is my 5th cycle I will be going on in the next week. I've been doing a balanced diet on every cycle and just went on a small cut by going on Keto, I've done Keto many times, but now I kinda want to stay on longer, can you do a cycle without carbs or isn't it not recommended? Thanks.
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If I were you I'd go into ketosis for a bit and keep up a lot of cardio. On days that you want to lift eat about 60 grams of carbs 1.5 hours pre workout with a good amount of Himalayan salt. You will feel the craziest strength ever. You should then be able to get back into ketosis by the next day or sooner. Then repeat
basskiller89Hey bro,
Carbs aren't the problem when cutting unless you're insulin sensitive. I've done keto which just creates ketones for the brain to function on. Carbs shouldn't make you fatter than anything else. At times you can get minor bloating but that's just water retention, a lot of the time its just in your head bro. I've lost 50lbs of fat eating a high carb diet, 200 carbs a day and shredded the fuck out. You get better lifts depending on how you feel though. I eat high fat at night and sometimes less in the mornings. What keeps me full after weights is doing that, high carb high fat later at night. You're gonna burn more calories on gear pretty much no matter what you do lol don't stress carbs or look into a planet fitness membership lol
Hmu if you need bro
Thanks for your info! No planet fitness here lol, bad enough i'm at Golds I hate commercial gyms, i miss my old grunge style gym..
IMO the body needs carbs to fuel your muscles and grow. I’d just tighten up the diet, get a solid meal prep going and weigh your food portions out. Best of luck.
I personally need carbs to think correctly..I walk around in a fog all day without them. Way back in the day I did a few keto diets and while they were great for shedding fat I need my brain to function during the day. Some people do fine with regards to clarity of thought on a keto diet..I am not one of them.
My protein and fat are fairly constant whether I am bulking or cutting. When cutting I start to drop my carbs away from my workout, e.g. I will cut a bit from breakfast and pre-bed meal ( I workout around midday). I will continue to do this until I have none in those meals and then go to the meals which are the next "farthest"
from my workout (9 am meal and one around 5 or 6 pm). I always keep carbs in my pre-workout meal and my intraworkout shake.
PcushionI am the exact same way. Zero carbs=zombie pcushion
I havent tried this but I'm thinking about it. Targeted keto diet. Targeting carbs around ur workout routine. From what I've read, timing ur carbs will increase insulin levels prior to exercise. This has an anabolic effect on the muscles, prevents muscle breakdown and promotes muscle growth. I'm guessing just enough carbs to refill ur body's glycogen storage after high intense training, that way u return to ketosis quicker.
Yeah I'm thinking I just might do that, but either way I'm going to do what I find best for my body
Mod trot - high carb - low fat
Best cut ever
Im not fan of keto , muscle need carbs
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I see only one reason to manipulate carbs in an aggressive way, and that's if you compete on stage.
Whats the point in all tht suffering if your not doing it for money or a pro-card, You can burn fat with out cutting out carbs, it just takes more time.
Achilles412Can Explain this a little more please ?
Yes example if i wana do 2400 cals it will be 200 g protein 400 g carbs as litle fat as posible usually just fish oil
I got my best results this way i look full , have energy , epic pumps , no digestion problems no protein farts
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This is exactly what I did to prep for vacation last year. Was in the best shape of my life! PFC @ 300/400/70 total 3500 cals on a recomp, cut. Could see veins in my chest it was awesome! This was a PH cycle of 1andro and 3AD. But I had weighed ll my food and would cook for roughly 3 hours every few days to meal prep and made sure I kept to a strict plan. Even while coming under fire at work.
That's something to consider is , do you work at a job that will allow you to eat as often as you need to (every 1.5-2hr)
PcushionYour the man brother great advice
Thank you my brother
I just speak from real life experience not what i read in some forum/article
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Hmmmmmm.. I haven't tried that, at least not that high in carbs. I know usually or I should say SHOULD for that matter if you do high carbs low fat or vise versa the results should be the same or about the same.
I think he might mean mod prot, meaning moderate protein
Mod trot?
...Only after eating one of Carlos's Burritos.
Hahahhaa sory i typed fast
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I think he might mean mod prot, meaning moderate protein.
You haven't had one of Carlos's burritos ...it's a thing.
Thanks!
Depends on your cycle. I would not recommend tren with no carbs. You will probably be a hypo dick. But Nandrolone does fucking great with keto. People think deca is for bulking only but it works great with keto. The leanest and dryest I have ever been was nandrolone plus keto. It seemed to keep all the muscle, maybe even slight gains while melting fat. Vascularity was also great.
Thanks for the info..
Carbs = anabolic a fuck!
Alphamale500Exactly what Makwa said below. While cutting yes, but bulking no!
Bulking no. Cutting yes.
why is that, can you explain please?
Thanks, I'm starting to figure that out..lol. Looks like I'm going back on carbs.
I workout at 6am . When I get up I have my eggs and oatmeal with fruit . Roughly 70g carbs . After workout I have a carb shake consisting of protein and dextrose . When I get home I eat my last carb meal for the day . Unless I feel I need a little bit of carbs with lunch . Rest of the day high fat and protein . Fats coming from whole eggs , steaks , olive oil , avocados etc .. this has burned fat fast
Thanks! I workout between 5-6am myself. I think I might try this, it's almost what I do now minus the carbs. I have a milk, egg and protien shake after the gym 4 eggs, scoop of protien and 8oz of milk and blend, now when I am doing carbs i just add oatmeal into the shake. I really can't eat that early in the morning I did hear about eating a high carb meal the night before so that way you had carbs in you for the next morning if you can't eat in the morning. My fats come from the same sources as well, do you have any lean chicken?
Ya I do eat chicken typically with a carb meal . I try to plan my meals so if I have a carb meal after my workout keep my fat low . Then rest of the day high fat no carb . Two things I try to do that works really well for me is do not combine sugars and fats , and keep my fat low when eating a carb meal .. as for milk I don’t drink or eat dairy just for digestion reasons . I know some guys love milk but I found that dairy just bloats me and slows digestion .
I might try this out. I typically don't eat sugar if I don't need to and for milk I love milk too much to let it go, I put that into my carbs just so I can have it.
PcushionPro bodybuilders do it all the time. Your going to burn a lot of fat and feel like crap in the process. I would probably keep some rapid absorbing glucose tabs in case your blood sugar bottoms out at any point. Good luck man
I still get more carbs in then recommend for keto or should I say the anobolic diet. At one point a while back I did hit that stage and felt like crap and couldn't really push through it, went back on carbs for a while felt great, then went on "keto" again felt great went longer than before, so then I just started doing the anobolic diet, but I felt eventually that stalled me for a little.
PcushionWhen it comes to dieting you have to look at it like a campfire and keep stoking it or it will “die out”.
Forget the word keto
Instead think of fat adaption
When fully fat adapted, your ability to utilise carbs around HIT (weights etc) goes up, same with protein
You can absolutely bulk on "keto" but FYI, you wont be truly fully fat adapted for probably a couple of months. Takes some longer than others.
I've done it, but should say carbs are the more optimal way to achieve growth. But it is possible if you go fully fat adapted (long term).
I hear ya lol. I'm not the one to really use the word keto because I still go over the "recamended" allowance of carbs for keto, I like to say the anobolic diet instead.
Right on.
Just another thing about keto
when you are off cycle, keto gives about a 100 point bump in natural testosterone. Its really a powerful muscle sparing lifestyle.
Thanks! That's what I thought, I figured I would have to put carbs back in for optimal growth. I don't ever stay on keto for no longer than 2-3 months, not that I couldn't do it longer or long term I just choose not to.
I cannot imagine for a second running steroids without taking in as much carbs & protein as possible. To want to run them whilst on a diet with no energy and being weak as opposed to trying to build as much muscle, strength and size as possible just seems alien to me.
Thanks! That's exactly what I was thinking, that's why I put this question up lol..
Yes you can do a cutter without carbs, but you should be on Tren or Primo otherwise the results will not be optimal!
Palumbo is big on his athletes doing keto during prep. As long as it’s a cutting cycle I don’t see a problem with it. Utilize the right drugs as well, tren is a carb whore so I wouldn’t go low carbs with it, but primo is a great low carb high protein compound.
If it’s a bulking cycle you’ll be pissing in the wind.
This cycle is going to be Test e, and Deca
Those are better suited for growing IMO
I know they are, I'm not using this cycle for cutting, although I should really start but not to worried about that just yet. What is a good cutting cycle?
If your body can handle it go for it, me personally if I completely cut out carbs I feel dead, no energy to get through the day much less the gym.
I think its dangerous doing keto diets, you are walking a razor blade on one side your body is living off of food fats on the other your body decides to start eating muscle. Don't fear carbs bro, they are your bodies number one fuel for a reason
You usually feel like absolute shit for 2 to 3 weeks in, and then it takes a different turn.