posted Mon, 11/30/2015 - 03:39
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Bad acne. which test Ester is causing it?
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I'm using 200mg test prop every two days as well as test cyp with it.
I get a bad cyst like shoulder and back break out like a day or two after each injection.
I don't remember this happening before when I used normal dosed prop. So I'm Thinking it's the prop?
Do I inject more frequently or not as much prop per inject?
I'm also on npp.
I'm wondering what's up. Maybe even estro is off as well?
Help.
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Got this from your profile. Just want to ensure everyone knows what type of person they are dealing with:
The person there dealing with?
Are you upset because the truth was had?
Nah. But you don't like the way we do things or the members here why don't you find a new home that you like. I can help.
Like the way you do things?
There are written rules, unwritten rules and protocol. It would be impossible to write a rule for every situation and who the fuck has the time to do that. As Mods, we need to make judgement calls at times.
Feel free to share your opinion but when you do it with such ignorance you are embarrassing yourself.
Unwritten rules?
Okay. Good to know. Thank you.
RustyhookerYou mean its yet another one with no pix, doesnt help the board, more forums of questions created and every reply is only to his own files? A leech?
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replyTheonslaught 2 days ago@.....
You know what I mean.
Certain things you can't even talk about even though it's not posted as a rule ( I can't find these rules that people are breaking. Please point me in right direction or let me know if I can't comprehend)
Guys talk about cycle history while posting their plethora of gear while posting their barely lift looking bodies. (No offense)
My thing is this. If you're gonna use gear look like it.
I'm not saying 400mg tne a day like uve mentioned before Mr consultant. But still.
Guys post like they compete or even look advanced in bodybuilding.
This is e "roids" not e "trt" or e-recreational PEDs.
People ask what happened to eroids when young kids ask things. How about tell them what it does and the consequences. Instead, they're sent away and find another board where they're told to do a gram of test on every cycle.
They're told bullshit by gear hoarders that look lower than natty.
People will disagree and probably neg me. But it's the truth.
Help a kid with your experience before he kills himself...And please look like you lift before posting your gear closet guys.
And who did neg u. You just wanted an explain.
Oh get over it.
I've been here before both of u and the old school stuff (real eroids) is why I'm successful now.
I've seen what has happened so keep my purpose old school.
Help out the board?
How by posting my drugs while looking natty?
posting cycles while looking natty?
If I use a product I review it...
every question I've had has made me even more successful. So I have to thank the non-troll members for my success. And no I'm not speaking of anyone specific. I've just been here from the beginning pretty much.
The truth hurts...
Negging me for opinion only proves me right.
RustyhookerYou weren't here before me. This aint my first rodeo here. I helped you out from day 1 of your joining. And since then you still offer nothing back to the community. Being a smug prick is just part of your nature.
Who is being a prick? It's all you buddy.
Cool, you're on your second rodeo.
Exactly
RustyhookerYou mean...this too.... 123 topics, all are questions
Other facts I have started 123 forum topics, and wrote 1336 comments.
Bite the hand that feeds.....
I stumbled upon a cheap acne treatment that has worked wonders for me.
I use a scrub brush and nizoral shampoo.
Nizoral has a anti-fungal that also has anti androgenic effects. 12 bucks and available at walmart
This! Wow dude. I've never been this clear from a topical anything let alone a wash.
Been using this exclusively
Isnt that shit amazing!
Cured my backne, even on a tren cycle
I don't even have to use topical lotions.
I have 2% for hair (scripted kind)
But the otc 1% is working great
OK, i gotta ask. Am i one of the guys that looks natty but still gives advice, even if its just acne advice.
I'm a little insecure at my 205 # with the BF of a sumo wrestler.
lol
Giving advice vs pretending to be the creator of testosterone is different. Lol
But good show ol bean.
I use the 2% for hair for around 19$ for my hair
Never thought to use on bod.
I've used hibacleanse (use ever u spell)
With anti bacterial dish soap lol.
But the big painful ones aren't effected
give it a try on your back and see what happens. I started with this stuff 4 weeks ago, and even on cycle it's been keeping acne at bay
bigmurphIm like iron game I had horrible acne when I was younger took Accutane got rid of it now when I run test it comes back always.I take 100mg of doxycyline 2x a day to help but doesn't do much me and test don't get along that's why I try to keep test low in my cycles
How much test cyp are you running on top of the prop
Another thing is when I ran sust with the quick esters my acne was worse.
hmm, the high estro and acne thing never really held any weight with me. Im the most acne prone person youll ever meet. I had the most embarassing acne all over my face chest arms back and shoulders way before i ever started using gear. Ended up having to go to the derm and run 160mgs of accutane for 7 months to get rid of it. And it still pops back up to this day but only when im coming off cycle and hormones are decline or when im going on cycle and my hormones are rising so in other words unstable hormone levels, oh and dbol that shit breaks me out so bad i dont even mess with it anymore. Anyways when i cycle i let my estrogen get high i dont keep it around 30 in range like everyone preaches, and i dont break out. So for me its not an estro problem.
so idk it sounds like the prop, you take a shot and a day or two after the injection (when levels spike and peak) you break out. I would either try injecting more frequently and if that doesnt help maybe drop it. Its weird that you never experienced this with normal dosed prop though. Let us know how it turns out.
I agree with you when it comes to acne and unstable hormone levels. I think estro plays a big part, but I think it's a combination of things. I'm on TRT and I keep things very stable, but I still have to be on an medium dose of AI or I get break outs.
I started my TRT several years ago with Sust and that was a complete joke when it came to acne with me. It took quite a while to get stabilized again.
Same thing here, When I was not dialed into my AI I used to break out all over my back real bad, now I take my Arimidex eod and I get very few if any even on a blast.
Im sure it does ive heard so many say once they got their e2 undercontrol their acne stopped, its just never done that to me. I will say this though, when i crashed my estrogen i dont think i had a single spot anywhere on me. But when im on cycle and it gets high ill only get a few small ones from time to time.
But sust for trt lol? Howd you go about that, did you pin once every idk 8 days or so and let the different esters cascade like it was intended for or you pin more frequently ?
From what I was told, Sust was originally designed for a steady release of test and that it would be great for TRT. I was pinning twice a week and I was still having major issues. Lesson learned!
Once I got on test-c and then eventually test-u, I'm able to control things very well. My body has changed over time though. I used to never have estro issues when I was younger, but now I do. You've got to change with the times so to speak.
Ya it was designed for trt, sustanon (sustained release), meant to pin like once every 2-4 weeks or something, when one ester was done the next would be at its peak and it would cascade all the way though. Turned out to be a shitty trt drug though but great for steroid users which is pretty much the only reason its still made. Can one even get sust in the us from a pharmacy? When you were on it was it doctor prescribed? Undeconate is definitely the future of trt. Though many endos dont prescribe it for whatever reason. I guess its still pretty new in the US. Theyd rather tell someone to pin cyp every two weeks and put them on a hormonal rollercoaster then put them on test U where you could probably actually get away with pinning once every 2 weeks. They say after the inital few doses its once every 3 months but thats bullshit. But ya youre not the first person whos said they have developed estro issues as they got older. Seems like its pretty common i know alot of people taking higher ai doses on there trt dose then i take when im on cycle. But there are many young guys who have estro issues also. Thats mostly genetic though.
My doctor had me try every "natural" remedy to raise my test. Nothing worked and after all that, he refused to put me on test (not my doctor anymore). I then went to a "low-t" clinic and quickly realized that they were ripoff, so started my own trt program. I read that sust was for trt, so that's what I started (ugl) and quickly learned it didn't work for me. Switched to test-c and that was much better, but I got very tired of bi-weekly pinning. I finally found a doctor that knew what he was doing and I got on test-u (pharm).
I pin the test-u every 10 days and that works great for me. I never bought into the loading and only pinning every few months. My bloods are always within range and very stable.
RustyhookerWas there any particular reason you pinned biweekly on your trt? Less fluctuations or preference?
Less fluctuations. I had broken out with sust and wanted to stabilize, so I went to bi.weekly. It did the trick after a while, but it got very old.
RustyhookerExcellent. Im getting closer to trt and reading everything.
every ten days seems like a pretty easy pin schedule. how many mg?
Vhman, how many mg every 10 days? whats it get your test levels up to?
HAve you considered going with the pellets?
125 mg. that keeps me around 700.
ManimalKingMy acne only acts up when my hormones fluctuate either up or down but subsides when my levels are stable.
WadeBEEHard to tell without proper blood work done, but it could very well be due to the prop e2d protocol, I know you also have a long Ester (cyp) but prop hits quicker and should be done at least every other day to prevent drastic hormone fluctuations. CYPIONATE takes at least 4 weeks for full effect while prop (if legit) you can feel in days. Also, you got any adex or aromasin in there?
You failed to mention an AI with this. What are you using to control your estrogen. Acne is an indicator of high estrogen.
Using arom. (Good reviewed liquid)
I usually get sensitive nips and enlargement.
But haven't this cycle so hopefully all good.
But I usually use letro on cycle 2 pills a week spilt up. Cipla brand. If I use 2grams test (yes I've done)
It might be higher estrogen as well as the prop schedule. It happened however when I did eod as well. Test c has been in system for over 6 weeks already.
I'm gonna do prop every day or cut it out completely. I just love prop lol.
And I'll probably dose ai better. 12mg a day might not be much?
Rustyhooker^^^^^this. And by weight thats a gram of enanthate.
Agree with Rusty. That's a lot of test mate. Why so much? I get the prop as a kicker but why keep running it? Go get bloods pulled. Check estro and DHT levels.
I'm a bodybuilders. Like actual bodybuilder
Well like good luck then with the like actual acne.
I know , it's hard to believe that eroids still has people on peds that actually look like it..
Lol
But thanks mate
RustyhookerThey've got you right up top with fluctuations.