posted Thu, 01/24/2019 - 03:14
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So I picked up some Blue Tops direct from a source that is supposed to be the manufacturer of it. Did a Serum test following the protocol of injecting 10iu's IM waiting 3 hours and then having the labs done. The Serum number came back super low at 11 would u use em or toss em
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low serum at 3 hours is shit. 10iu's would have serum through the roof
peaks at about 5 hours,
might be a fake but only a baseline pre use number would confirm that (or an actual and rather expensive test on the product - although did i read roidtest are releasing a GH test kit? check into that as their other kits are quite good actually, do a search on that, if they do it is worth a few quid)
might be a secretagogue, takes time to build up a gh level worth testing
or you might have been sold hcg fakes - take a piss test on a prenancy kit to see if you are pregnant
Was the vial vacuum sealed? Ever used this specific source or product before? Anyone else you know using this product?
Oh by the way... you do know that GH doesnt really do anything to build muscle, dont you?
Thanks for your thoughts on this my hunt for legit GH at a decent price continues and yes the product had raised my suspicion from the beginning because NO the vials were not vacuum sealed which was a red flag, and the other red flag was the look of the pucks so I had my doubts going in. The pucks didn't look right they looked barely held together, and some of them were broken in transit. The answer to your other question is no they aren't from a known source here, or anywhere else for that matter it was a gamble from the beginning that didn't pay off so lesson learned. After considering it for days I decided the number warranted another test and those results were lower so they ended up in the trash. As for your last question I'll simply pretend you didn't ask that but I'll give u a thumbs up for throwing that out there...Thanks
You made the right decision on what to do man, good stuff.
Don't pretend. We dont have to discuss it, but i just want to suggest you do yourself a favour, read this thoroughly; https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/37/2/100 - Make your own decisions.
Consider buying some Lr3 (for hyperplasia and also to moderate FOX0 proteins to prevent plateaus - do some research on this too its very interesting).
If convinced, If you must use GH, use very low dose (1iu pharma or 1/2 ius proven generic) in the event lr3 switches off natural GH production (secretagogue wont be enough to fight neg feedback loop), as other bodily processes use GH.
I say that under the presumption you are aiming for hypertrophy and hyperplasia and also because you seem intelligent. Most just follow the herd and havent an iota of what they are doing.
I appreciate the link I quickly scanned it and saved the page so that when I have more time I'm gonna go back and read through it. I'm glad it's a peer reviewed medical Journal that u sent me too, because that shows me that you aren't a simpleton either, and you actually do some research on the compounds you might be using. I found your initial suggestion about peak times interesting because from what I've read it seems the consensus is that serum levels begin to rise after 2 hours and peak anywhere between 4 and 6 hours, and then within 12 hours levels should be back close to baseline. That leads me back to my initial test on the GH I tossed. That test was skewed and the number was still 11 but I was hoping for a better result with the second test blindly thinking something might change. I had injected 3iu's of GH the night before just before bed, and that GH is from a kit I tested and I know it's legit, so when I did the test in the morning with 10iu's injected into my delt 3 hours before getting tested my number still hadn't returned to baseline yet and that was the end result..Here's where I got my information on peak levels and baselines https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10614529
Yes it's true there are a lot of guys who lurk these pages that need to get educated that's why I really don't come around and post up. The latest source who's got legit product A gets plugged as the go to place until their products start coming back bad. A lot of these guys don't even realize how often that happens these predators put out legit shit in the beginning, and then start sending the bogus stuff later, and this ain't Walmart there's no refunds here. Anyways thanks again for the information I'm gonna give that article some attention when I get back later....stay safe
What would noquit do? He seems to know everything about testing HGH. I would also think he would stick to pharma products as well.
First of all what's the matter do the facts bother you bro? Secondly and most importantly who the fuck wouldn't stick to pharm products if they could get them for the same price as UGL.....I mean really what in the world is in the water on this board...Go ahead and ban me for posting factual content I guess I earned it
My point is that you seem to have all the answers, so why did you ask the question in the first place? You just like patronizing the other members?
Deeper point is, you know you're not getting 100% real HGH and you know that your bluetops are questionable, but you are entertaining the idea of taking them anyway -while you tell everyone else they don't know anything and are fools pining "unknown product". What the hell are you then if you're entertaining the idea of pinning something that is only 10% HGH? Are you looking for a cosigner? Sure, go for it. You got my blessing.
I find it rather ironic.
It's not the content I have an issue with. It's your sweet disposition and witty charm.
Guys really? You guys obviously don't know about testing procedures for GH. I'm not talking about IGF numbers yes those take time to rise I'm talking about a GH serum test. That should be done before you start injecting ur GH to make sure you actually have GH. You do 10iu's IM with at least a 1 inch pin then wait 3 hours and go get tested. Preferably fasting and no exercise before the test. Now the total number will vary there are many things that can cause that variation, but if there's active Growth Hormone present then ur number should rise well above ur baseline. Baselines range per person but average somewhere between 0 and 7.0. Most people are closer to 0....Mine was a 3 and then this test came back at 11.2 so I know there's GH in there it just wasn't where I wanted it to be., How do u know what ur baseline is? U get that tested before u even start ur GH. These tests only cost $30 I just don't understand why guys neglect this yet have no problem injection something that may or may not be legit....Thanks anyways I appreciate the effort.
so explain to me if ^ this is bouncing around your brain then why would you waste your time coming on here asking for advice. People take there time giving you advice, then you say they don't understand because abrakadabra you knew the answer the whole time.
though i'm not sure who negged you, because what you said is not incorrect .
I didn't think it was going to be a waste of time asking a question in a forum where hopefully there would be more experienced users who actually have some knowledge about the products their putting in their bodies. Alas though something told me in the end it might be a waste of my time but it was worth a shot. Have u noticed there's just a shit ton of bro science being spewed around here? I really hoped there would be someone with actual experience and some knowledge on the subject that might be able to chime in, but alas all I get is the standard bro science response of "serum levels aren't tested that way, and IGF is more important than serum levels anyway" I'd be willing to bet u the house that three quarters of the guys on here who are posting their IGF numbers have no clue that IGF can be manipulated by a shit ton of other products including Tren, aromasin, peptides and sarms just to name a few, I could care less about getting knocked it's just simply amazing the lack of knowledge from people with such high numbers. How do you get a number like that anyway post up a nice pretty picture of gear u know nothing about, and then have a bunch of fellow cheerleaders show up and give u props for posting? I mean really bro it's kinda sad I think all I can say if anyone is offended by my post is oh well it's better to be informed then sitting in a hospital room somewhere with an infection because someone with a high number told u it was no problem to reuse ur pins multiple times until their dull.....Like I said thanks anyways
well you seem to know what your talking about , so why don't you hang around these boards and feel the HGH knowledge gap for us bro, just try to be a little less condescending eh?
Bro science is a constant for sure , but believe me there are some experts, pro's and vets on these boards full of wisdom.
As far as the Blue top HGH is concerned, well bro I don't trust blue tops period ever end of story, If guys truly understood the intricacies of manufacturing real HGH , believe me they would never trust "generic" hgh . Its limited to pharma and a handful of Chinese brands that I trust.
It takes awhile for levels to build up..a few weeks usually..how long were you on before testing
I'm not sure you can get an accurate reading so quickly. HGH and IGF1 build slowly in the body, so you might want to consider re-testing after further use for a while.
X2..my thoughts exactly