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So I was just reading Makwas post regarding compounds (https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/recommended-d...) in which he mentioned provi as beneficial for trt use, which makes sense. Just wondering if anyone has some 1st hand experience in this regard. Thoughts, comments, etc.
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I love it with TRT. Proviron free's up bound testosterone, and boosts libido tremendously. On low dose TRT you can get by with 12.5mg daily with exceptional results.
It’s approved for hrt in Europe so it does have a place alongside trt. You need to look at the whole picture though. Liberating a bunch of free test if you’re already on a high trt dose (200 mg for example) basically means you’re on cycle. Nothing wrong with that just don’t fool yourself into thinking you’re getting all the benefits of “time off”. Like Herp said, it can hit your cholesterol a bit, and still goes through your liver although it’s extremely mild on liver stress.
I believe in making the most of our time off be being OFF for cholesterol, organ, and androgen receptor health. Enjoying some gh or igf while off the anabolics then ramping them back up when the body is primed to respond.
Now if trt is all you’re gonna do and cycles are done, I could see 200 mgs test and 25-50 mgs provi long term as a muscle retention hrt protocol for the big boys out there (250 lbs plus).
Great point regarding the "on" scenario. Makes peefect sense.
So what are your thoughts regarding provi during a first, test only cycle? The general school of thought seems to be, and w/good reason, not to add a second compound. Does that apply to provirin? It strikes me as something that would be beneficial for a lower test 1st cycle. Just picking your brain. Thanks BM.
There was a post about the just recently. I’m going back and forth in my head about it. Settled on no provi for first cycle. Here’s why: sides are important and acne, hair loss, aggression while not very likely on a first cycle of 250-500 test, may still pop up. I think it’s good to know what the test does, then learn how the provi compliments it. Otherwise you don’t really know why you’re taking the proviron. Initially since I see provi as an ancillary and not an anabolic I thought it would be ok on a first cycle and gains wise we all know it would be better, but the individual would lose out on learning what their body does without it.
And thats basically the debate I've had going on in my head for a bit now. As w/any cycle, we want to absolutely maximize our returns, but w/this being my 1st, I feel its important to really get to know the compound and how it effects me.
I do like your idea of adding provi to a post cycle regiman though. May be a nice parachute until natural levels fall into place.
I've read alot about taking provi year round for the trt'ers, but that is a good point about the high free test like being "on" year round.
Maybe find the sweet spot with cruise/provi for lower dose test? If C can be kept under control naturally that is.
Sure, but also keep in mind proviron’s effect on the prostate. It’s a DHT and will contribute to BPH over time.
Your body always seeks equilibrium. Find a good cruise dose for you (mine is 100-150/wk) and let your body enjoy the consistency. Fighting shbg with provi on a cruise is going to result in more shbg being produced which means when you jump on cycle your gear will do less. If you need AI or provi on cruise you’re cruising too high, lower the test till you no longer need them. That’s where your body wants to be.
I've been taking 2x saw palmetto 450mg daily while on the provi and haven't had any issues.
Good point on the cruise/provi again. There's alot of info put there on it that seems contradictory, so gotta just pull all the facts, ignore the opinions, and make your own choice. I dropped it after my last cycle thinking I didn't want to stay on too long and build up a tolerance and no longer have that tool in my toolbox, but I read experiences from alot of people who run it year round that say they don't notice any drop in effectiveness even with prolonged use.
Not arguing with you btw, like I said earlier, you make a great point that's worth consideration.
Absolutely. I'm pro-provi anyway though so I might be a little biased. I ran provi on my 1st cycle but dropped it during cruise, though this time around I'm gonna continue to run it. If you get good provi you'll be able to tell a difference on and off of it - I could.
Just watch your cholesterol though, provi can mess your C up. Niacin supposedly works to counter this though, fish oil as well. I had been off it 9 weeks when I pulled bloods and my C was fine, but I had been taking niacin too. Now I'm running provi sans niacin so when I do bloods very soon I'll see where I am. If my C is flipped I'll start niacin and see what happens when I retest.
Niacin can raise bp. I use a supp I get at Walmart it's called cholestoff. My cholesterol went from 240 to 190 in two months.
Interesting, I'll see if I can find it. That niacin is a damn beast!
I think it has niacin in it. I also take flax seed oil and fish oil caps.
https://www.amazon.com/Nature-Made-Cholest-Off-Plus-Softgels/dp/B00BJV0C...
Thanks, I'm gonna grab some. I take fish oil.and eat alot of fish, never tried the flax as a supplement. I've heard winny can really mess with your C values, that stuff enough to keep C in check running winny, you know?
No idea bro. The only oral I run is provi. And the old fashioned oral lol
Lol, all I'm running is provi right now, don't know if I'll run winny in the future or not but always try to be educated on the front end if the need ever arises.
Quality response as always herp. Much appreciated. Let us know how those bloods turn out. I'll pm you a few other questions.