nandrolone Over testosterone
Wanted to get anyone’s advice on using nandrolone with a lower testosterone base for trt.
I am currently on 150mg test c once per week.
However I have noticed significant shedding. I am currently taking 1mg fin and use nizorcal 1% shampoo daily.
My issue is this...i started trt for about 6 months but the shedding was too much and I dropped it.
At that time I thought fin was too harsh, but have recently just said fuck it and have begun using it.
So back to now I have been back on trt for about two months and have been using fin for the same amount of time. My issue is the shedding has not stopped and really don't want to lose my hair...and I feel like absolute shit when I go off trt
This article looks promising: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4837307/
Does the above make sense and if so what would be the equivalent dosage?
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Alphamale500Imo, if you're loosing your hair with only a trt dose of test, then you're very likely predisposed to male pattern baldness(MPB). Being predisposed to MPB, there's really not much too much you can do to prevent it from happening while using exogenous testosterone, especially stacked with other compounds. Sure, you can try to treat it with different ancilliaries, shampoos, topical creams etc. and maybe slow it down a bit, but that's about it. But if you're predisposed to MPB, you're very likely to loose your hair eventually while using test/aas.
Now that's just my opinion, so don't let that stop you from attempting to control it. Hey, with all the new medications and treatments being discovered all the time, maybe you'll get lucky.
I've been using different supplements, including some that are said to prevent hair loss ever since I first began using aas. I'm very thankful that I have a completely full head of hair even after running many different cycles, many of which included some pretty harsh compounds known for causing MPB. I guess it just comes down to the fact that I'm not predisposed to MPB. Or, maybe the vitamins, supplements etc. that I've been using have protected me from hair loss, or at least helped.
The following are a few of the different methods I use to help prevent hair loss.
-using a shampoo enriched with caffeine which is said to act on DHT and increase blood flow circulation to the scalp, and a conditioner which contains niacin, caffeine, AlphaHydroxy Acid and Saw Palmetto extract which is said to act as a natural DHT blocker directly on the scalp.
-taking the supplement Saw Palmetto Complex which contains; Supercritical CO2 Saw Palmetto Berry Extract(standardized to contain min 85% fatty acids), Pygeum Extract, Pumpkin Seed Oil and Lycopene.
Now I can't prove that these methods do work and are responsible for my lack of hair loss, but in your situation they may be worth trying!
Thanks for the advice hadn’t heard about caffeine helping, will look into it.
I do pop about 1800mg of saw palmetto a day, but haven't tried it in shampoo
Alphamale500Is the Saw Palmetto you use just ground whole plant material or is it an extract of some type? With that dosage, it sounds like it's just whole ground plant material and if so, that's not the most efficient way to take it. You're much better off using a combo extract like the type that I wrote about, or at least an extract of Saw Palmetto.
Regarding the use of caffeine to prevent and treat hair loss, it's really more of an off-label use. But hey, that doesn't mean it doesn't work right?
Go see a dermatologist and make sure your hair loss is actually male pattern baldness. Lots of things can make your hair fall out. Also, I believe finasteride takes up to a year to see the full results.
God made a few beautiful heads....
The rest he put hair on.
It's part of life .... grow a beard
Molinin302I feel your pain, before I got into the other stuff,TRT from a Dr was the first. My levels weren't as low as yours (374 in my early 40s), but had all the symptoms and the ED was getting pretty effing uncool. My hair started giving up the ghost in my early thirties so I take the Clippers to it. I've seen no changes in it since using the hormones. Honestly for me, I prefer quality of life, if the test makes you feel great, go with it. Good luck bro.
You made it to 30. That might just be how long you were supposed to have hair. When it goes let it go. Focus on things that really matter.
That’s the thing when I stopped test after the first six months and took some time off...hair stopped shedding and was beginning to get thicker. Wasn’t even on Fin either. So I don’t think that’s the case
Agreed. But I guess that’s easy for me to say because I still have my hair.
TRT= Testosterone Replacement Therapy. If you start using other things like Decca you will be messing with it, but its your decision. You are young anyway for TRT. If the Fin and Nizoral aren't helping you have a choice to make!
A TRT with Nandrolone is a NRT , lol! (ironic)
You put it right...Testosterone replacement therapy would be testosterone only. Like I said bellow, better say HRT - hormone replacement therapy.
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https://www.eroids.com/pics/hair-regrowth-experiment-edited-once-a-month
Your not related to Shirlsguy by chance are you?
Try read this short 8.cycle pre cycle plan... good read from our member here HllwdBdBoy
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/pre-cycle-checklist
And some more on forum:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...
By the way...rather call it HRT (hormone replacement therapy) not TRT (testosterone replacement therapy)
you are changing testosterone for something other
Is TRT really your goal at those stats if real?
Age: 30
Height: 5'10
Weight: 165
You could do natty way more in my opinion, not to mention you have a great deal to learn.
What is your diet looks like? Training plan?
DO you have those two covered?
How long do you train overall?
your goals in next months - a year?
Not trying to be a bodybuilder just want a normal life without feeling shitty..test c has def accomplished that for me...but I'm gonna feel even worse if I lose all my hair, so just seeing if what I posted makes sense.
And bro...educate yourself...do your homework...love yourself and do not be stupid
Those are basics .... read basic rules of every cycle...there are all over articles even in our eroids forum...read, read and read some more...even we learn every day new truths and experiences here. That is why I love eroids.
why are you on TRT brother? IS this a long term decision? is 150mg/week all you used? and even stop in the middle? What did you take in this time without ass? and HCG? Nolva, Clomid, anything at all?
Did you ever at least before your first cycle doo bloodwork?
Are you sure you even need to run AAS? Think about it...if 150mg/ml of test a week is too much to handle for you...why even bother? Stay naty
Ya so was dealing the normal low t issues. Went to clinic got blood tests...I was around 250 - 350 from a few different tests. Vitality clinic put me on testc and noticed all issues disappeared.
After stopping I used the HCG and clomid provided by the clinic and some arimidex for post cycle.
Issue is once I'm off for about 3 months all the old symptoms come back. Low energy, libido, brain fog, muscle disappears. The difference while on it is night and day.
I was hoping to still use a very small test base like maybe 50mg per week, but add in the nandrolone to make up for the rest of the missing test c.
Test is BASE in every aspect even TRT. And most aas are testosterone derivates. only natural was is testosterone. It would be even better if you would combine it with HCG all time of TRT.
Are you on TRT forever?
Nandrolone alone as TRT is highly unrecommended from my end.
Not to mention libido problems and deca dick...you still can have prolactin associated. but not on low dosages.
I see nothing concreate in term of replacement completely nandrolone for testosterone in long run. on this link you posted...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4837307/
Conclusions:
Characterized by low serum testosterone and a multitude of debilitating symptoms, male hypogonadism is a common condition. Primarily treated with exogenous testosterone replacement, novel adjuncts to improve responses and decrease side effects are being studied. Nandrolone is an anabolic steroid compound with a high myotrophic:anabolic ratio. In this manuscript, we have explored the potential uses for nandrolone in male health. Specifically, we have reviewed the pharmacology of nandrolone and detailed a potential role for nandrolone in joint healing and muscle growth. Finally, a consideration was given to the potential adverse effects of nandrolone on ED. Further research in human subjects is required.
That's just the summary. Throughout the article they are comparing it to testosterone..look at the abstract
"Characterized by low serum testosterone levels and diverse symptoms, male hypogonadism is a common condition. Current medical treatment focuses on testosterone supplementation using multiple modalities such as injections, gels and pellets. Interestingly, while testosterone is considered an anabolic androgenic steroid, it has not been saddled with the social stigma that other, similar medications have. The goal of this review is to highlight an anabolic steroid, 19-nortestosterone (i.e., nandrolone, deca-durabolin) and illustrate prospective therapeutic applications for male health. Containing a chemical structure similar to testosterone, nandrolone has a higher myotrophic: androgenic ratio resulting in improved effects on muscle mass. Animal models have suggested application in the improvement of joint healing following rotator cuff repair. Minimal literature exists regarding the use of nandrolone and, as such, further human studies are required."
So my question is if further studies are required has anyone tried TRT with test base and nandrolone
I'd prefer to stop the trt and do a good PCT.
Why are u on a trt? Low test?
Have u actual bloods? If yes post them or tell us the necessary values!
I'd never use nandrolone instead test e or c!
I hope he went to see an endocrinologist before starting TRT. I see more and more people self-prescribe hypogonadism with no blood work or anything. And even with insurance when this would be free. I do not understand that logic. Just like the coeliac disease that most people that sais they have, actually doesn't. They are saying that without any blood work or allergen diagnostic.
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Ya see my other comment. Did PCT first time I went off...about three months later old symptoms we're back. So I want to stay on some sort of replacement therapy just don't wanna lose all my hair...was thinking very low test base like maybe 50mg per week of test c and then make up the rest with nandrolone
I see now your post...
So you said:
Not trying to be a bodybuilder just want a normal life without feeling shitty..test c has def accomplished that for me...but I'm gonna feel even worse if I lose all my hair, so just seeing if what I posted makes sense.
Man, I really strongly advise that you see an endocrinologist before you did more damage to your HPTA. Even for hair loss, they can prescribe Propecia or something similar.
And like I said...deca (common name for nandrolone) will shut you down more than test and you could suffer from so-called deca dick...not to mention low sex drive which could have a great impact on your psychological aspect of good feeling.
But still mate, what is your goal? Just to feel good?
I would still go to an endocrinologist and he will do blood work and see how things are standing. Even if your total testosterone is in range it could still be low free testosterone which is not bound to SHBG or albumin and actually binds to AR (androgen receptors).
I would finish altogether and do good PCT than go to see an endocrinologist.
Nandrolone would make you worsen terms of low libido, sex drive.
Primary it is used for people in catabolic states with major burns, cancer, and AIDS and not for TRT.
Not to mention that it would shut your HPTA more than testosterone itself.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5542904/