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  • Dr. John Crisler has passed RIP

  • growthman   •   Fri, Jan 18th, '19 07:53   •   31 replies, 1021 views

For anyone who doesn’t know he was The Godfather and true OG of TRT. He has passed at 61. RIP Dr. Crisler.

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  • ashop
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Dr. John was a long time friend of mine. He truly will be missed.

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Sorry for your loss my friend <3

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  • Ozninjaguy
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I am relatively new to Dr John Crisler and his philosophy/approach to TRT.

I have watched a few of his videos and have generally been impressed with his knowledge, how articulate he is and his ability to discuss complex medical issues in a way that the layman can understand. He was a pioneer of TRT for men. When he came on the scene, the majority of doctors were happy to prescribe HRT for women who displayed low/dysfunctional hormone levels to make them feel better, but had the attitude that a man displaying low/dysfunctional hormonal levels had to suck it up and accept that it was just a part of getting older.

Dr John started changing that medical mind-set. For years he was pilloried within the medical fraternity for his approach but as researched evolved, he was proven right and was finally recognised for being a visionary, and leading light in terms of the notion of TRT for men.

He had a heart attack two years ago and survived. Just because he was a proponent of TRT and dies of a heart attack, does that mean TRT is bad and causes heart attacks? Anyone who believes that is pretty much a moon-landing denying flat earther. The evidence that Testosterone is necessary for heart health is overwhelming.

Just as recognition for the importance of hormonal balance for men being just as important as it is for women has started to gain medical traction and recognition – we lose the guy. It’s a sad day.

Consider this as a possibility: Maybe if it wasn't for TRT, he would have died back in 2016 - and maybe his TRT regimen gave him an extra two years.

I'm willing to take that risk.

https://www.renalandurologynews.com/hypogonadism/testosterone-therapy-does-not-increase-cardiovascular-event-risks/article/748499/

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Good post +1

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  • johnmarshall12
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Sadly; this is not a good advertisement for TRT. RIP

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Agreed. Certainly made me re-think my consideration to do TRT. That being said, I’m not sure his death was related to his TRT.

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I'm assuming once you have been running TRT protocal for several years its virtually impossible to go back to being nattie?

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I disagree. Some can go back to natural. Depending on how long one has been supplementing testosterone, will depend on how much one can recover natural T levels. I have friends who juiced for years and live with a T level of 350-400 ng/dL naturally. The 10mg/day protocol I outlined in another post (within the over 40/trt forum) allows the testicles to recover to normal size within 8 weeks.

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  • press1
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Does anyone happen to know what the average age of a steroid user is? I have a bad feeling from a lot of what I've read it isn't much past 70 ..

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No, but I believe there is a correlation to size and longevity. Chihuahuas live longer than Great Danes.

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Have you happened to notice that the 220lb guys seem to live longer than the 300lb lifters then as brutal as it sounds?!

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100% yes.

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  • Achilles412
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Read either heart related or self inflicted....knew he has heart attack two years ago. Makes you think about prolonged trt as well

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It has been confirmed he hung himself. Neloson vergal posted it on facebook.

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That’s a shame. Never really understood why someone would ever kill them selves.

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Yeah it sucks to hear something like this.

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I couldn't find that guy's FB - do you have a link? Dr John's clinic website says he died in his sleep.

https://drjohncrisler.com/index.html

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It's in a private trt group on fb. Nelson Vergel that runs excel male and private md labs is who posted it. I guess they we're close friends.

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Ah, ok. Thanks mate. I don't get it. Famous, rich, doing good work helping people, survived a heart attack - then commits suicide 2 years later. I just don't get it.

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None of these things ultimately matter to people who suffer from depression though, what would make us happy does nothing at all for them ...I've known a few people who suffer from it and have tried to take their own lives, mainly young lads too ...

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Yes, I know that. I have been depressed and felt suicidal before. I took a massive dose of pills when I was 17 - ended up with my stomach being pumped, IV drugs and a coma for 3 days. Now when I get depressed I try to think of the positive hings that make life worth living - I guess that was my point.

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Hey brother I know 17 years is a long time ago, but it sounds like you still get depressed now. Remember that God loves you. I don’t even know you and I love you man. Ending life is such a permanent solution to a temporary situation. You’re senior to me so who am I to give you advice. Just saying you matter. You’re loved.

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Thanks mate - actually I was just deleting that comment - too much info when I got the 'access denied' message. Winston Churchill called depression the Black Dog, it still hounds me (pun intended). But what you said is spot on and that is how I try to always look at things. I was a strange young man, now I'm just a crazy old guy. Thanks for the kind words - I know that you are sincere.

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I think you were denied bc I replied to your comment. No worries thanks for opening up. You should be able to share without any fear of judgment. At least the vets on here won’t judge you brother.

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Me neither bro.

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It's in a private trt group on fb. Nelson Vergel that runs excel male and private md labs is who posted it. I guess they we're close friends.

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I didn’t want to post the cause when I posted that Dr C had passed but credible sources have confirmed that he took his own life.

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Thanks mate - I believe you. It's sad.

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Yes sir it does.

Heart attack at 59. I’ve also heard possible causes of death a couple days ago but won’t speculate.

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Yea but then you look at low t related cardic issues they are Almost just as bad as heavy anabolic usage so it’s like we damned if we do damned if we don’t. But again we have no idea what else guy was in to. For all we know we was blowing coke daily. Either way sucks and RIP