posted Sun, 08/05/2018 - 04:13
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Bulking at 40 cycle
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Stats
40 yr old
5'10"
200lbs
12-15% bodyfat
Diet primarily vegetarian. Mostly Eggs, sweet potatoes, oatmeal, fruits, veggies, nuts. I eat 6-8 meals a day.
Training since 12 yr old. Currently high volume 5X per week.
Goals are to gain muscle and weigh around 225lbs and still wear my 34 inch pants. Strength increase in NOT a goal.
I'm currently on TRT 125mgs Test E week
Proposed cycle (Blast and Cruise)
MK 677 15-30mgs per day weeks 1-14
Test E 125-250mgs weeks 1-14
Deca 600mgs weeks 1-14
Dbol 25mgs say weeks 1-(4or6)
Aromasin 12.5mg M,W,F
Proviron 25ms weeks 1-14
After 14 weeks I will return to my cruise of Test E 125mg week
Any advice appreciated!
Thanks
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I dont like it. this is why;
over the last 10 years (going by your past comments and info), you been yoy'ing between 176lbs and 215, with what looks like the most of your time spent at sub 200lbs. Prob sub 200 now, first thing am watered and emptied. prob higher bf than you guesstimate (ppl usually are). SO, you gained bodyfat since last run and some weight. In otherwords, you gained sweet fark all. LEads to diet as the big concern... couldnt eat then, cant eat now and certainly cannot maintain gains. - Yoyo.
You say strength isnt a goal, yet You have dbol in there, yet dbol doesnt build muscle and does add strength, inflates the ego leading to heavier lifting which is a concern for you.
You have test very low (beautiful) with deca which doesnt aromatise significantly (lovely) yet are using an ai straight off the bat - why? I reckon you do not know what you are doing here.
Ai - significant chance of crashing estro with such low test at 125mg - but you arent committed to 125 or 250... seems like a half arsed plan and a lack of knowledge on how to use aromasin for low dose testo correctly, so again i am assuming you are not TRT.
PRoviron - why? why d you feel you need a DHT? with such low test you shouldnt see a spike in SHBG and what shbg you have is essential to the body... so why bind it with a non-muscle building compound?
Then back to a cruise? I presume thats not TRT then - very difficult to condone a cruise if you ask me... people do it and risk permanent damage to their HPGA.
I think you are wasting your time.
Well said.
giardap, you made a lot of good points. I may be over my head and that's why I came here for advice.
There is some truth to not putting on 20lbs with egg and kale lol.
The reason I train with high volume these days are to prevent any future injuries. When I trained low volume and height intensity about 10 yrs ago I hurt my lower back and had to have back surgery and I also tore my pec benching and my shoulder has never been the same. With high volume I have had zero muscularskeletal injuries, no joint pain and I still get a great muscle burn/ pump and have muscle hypertrophy.
jayiskMy have had weak bones and joints from being a vegetarian. Or like most people didn't not learn proper technique and used too much weight too soon.
You can train low volume at moderate weight with compound exercises. Avoid the ones that hurt you. or figure out ways to still train. i.e. Problems with the bench use the Slingshot to bench with.
Reason I said low volume, besides burning less cals., is you said you want to put on muscle.
"With high volume..., I still get a great muscle burn/ pump and have muscle hypertrophy."
Pump and hypertrophy will not build muscle mass. Find a good training program to follow don't just go into this with no training plan.
And I think setting a goal for 20 lbs in a cycle is setting you up to fail. You are going to need to force feed yourself high calorie meals under you feel like you are going to puke. Watch vids on what Brian Shaw WSM eats in a day. He eats pretty clean but its a lot of work. Plus once you start putting some fat on I dont know if you can deal with that.
I know a lot of guys say they want to get bigger and stronger and the second they cant see an outline of their abs they panic and stop. And you don't want to put on 20 lbs of fat either.
1st figure out your nutrition, 2nd find a good training program for your goals, and then speak with people about the best cycle of gear to run to meet those goals. Best of luck.
Thanks jayisk, great advice.
jayiskYou need a caloric surplus to bulk and that includes meat, poultry, and some junk.
Can't put on 20 lbs on eggs and kale.
Can't worry about about still wearing 34 in pants. You will panic and stop the bulk once they get snug.
Change the high volume to low volume compound movements and train every other day. Tho get more rest and burn less calories.
Wheres the Pasta
Wheres the jasmine RICE
where is the foods that are gona pack on this muscle..
The gear isnt gona do it alone.. especially all the gear you have listed. 20 lbs from test/deca nooo problem. But not with grocery list you have
I eat rice too lol. I eat primarily vegetarian which includes mostly whole foods, no processed food and only meat a few times a week maybe on weekends when I visit family. I try to eat as clean as I can with NO junk food and minimal animal products. I end up with 3000-4000 cals per day depending on if I eat 6 or 8 meals that day.
Stats say your 200 lbs. 3,000- 3,500 calories is most likely for cutting or only maintanence. You gotta figure out them macros. Cause your most likely gona have to up those calories to 4,500 to 5,000 calories and take it from there
That testosterone dose looks very low to me? Have you run low test high Deca before? What about blood work planned for the cycle. Prolactin control? Aro dose looks very low considering the Deca and dbol. Guys got you below on diet - protein need to go up.
There is a lot wrong with this cycle if you ask me - you could be in for a world of pain with sides if you’re not careful. Try and have a think about some of the questions above and do a bit more research and come back and let’s discus.
I have had good results before with higher deca than test. I have bloods scheduled for pre, mid and post cycle.
I don't like the looks of the cycle either. I don't think there is enough cycle experience to pull this one off.
Can you offer another suggestion for someone with my stats and goals? That's why I posted before starting this cycle. It's all about being smart, safe and efficient my brothers!
What has me most concerned is your stats. Maybe a current pic would help but 200lbs at your height and 15% BF after several cycles has me concerned. If you were 200lbs and 8-10% BF bodyfat then I would't be so concerned. I think you are on the light side to really warrant a cycle. I hate to send someone on a bear hunt without the proper equipment. Usually doesn't turn out well.
Before any cycling talk I would really like you try a cyclic bulking diet. You need to knock down the bodyfat and build it up with some lean mass. 1.5g/lb is a bare minimum I would be going for with the protein. Your current diet may be holding you back. Make sure your are tracking with the Myfitnesspal app. Do this right and you could recomp pretty well in 4 months or so which would have you primed to run a cycle then.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/the-key-to-quality-mas...
I'm gonna review this diet later today and I will get back to you if I have any questions. I really appreciate your help. Thanks!
Makwa’s got you. Take advantage of his expertise but I agree this cycle is overkill for your stats ans it’s poorly thought out so would likely cause significant problems with side effects (estogen, prolactin and test all being problems to be looked at). Work with Makwa on your diet put in the time in the kitchen and the gym and revisit a cycle down the line. Good luck.
I will
FR sent in case you have any questions.
Thanks B
Your right.
Your macros aren't set up right. You need more protein. I suggest adding a pound of chicken breast daily. Expect your hdl to be jacked running dbol and provi. You've ran multiple cycles and failed because of your diet. This one woulnt be any different until you add some quality protein.
What you suggest I change my macros to?
I suggest 1.5 grams of protein per lb if bodyweight. No more than one protein drink if possible. Whole foods. Chicken, egg whites,Greek yogurt, cottage cheese are all good sources.
I got it, thanks!
Eggs are good, but to me you need meat/poultry in any effective strength/bulking/size diet. I just cannot see how you can do it on these foods listed there, whenever I eat eggs I only feel half as satisfied if that as opposed to if I had meat. My numbers and sessions suffer also, can you not bring it to yourself to change this for a period of time if you are willing to take steroids & inject yourself to do it?
I'm willing to do whatever it takes press1!
RustyhookerAge: 36
Height: 6
Weight: 185
BF:
You somehow shrank 2 inches...? Lol
And gained 4 years age in 2 years time.
Guess when I was younger I just rounded up my height to 6 foot. Lol
I'm 5'10" 200lbs @ 40 yrs old
RustyhookerThats a huge cycle. Whats your priors? Kcals? Protein/carbs/fats ratio?
I've been on and off anabolics since I was 25. My priors have included test, deca, tren, EQ, winny, dbol and anadrol in different combinations. I've been on TRT for a couple of years now.
My Kcals range from 3000 (6 meals) to 4000 ( 8 meals) per day with 25% protein, 50% carbs and 25% fat.