posted Fri, 07/26/2019 - 16:28
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+ 1 Anxiety from Prop for TRT
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Hopefully someone maybe able to help me!
44 years old, 6ft, 206lbs.
Natural testosterone levels are low at 264.
I tried just 50mg of Prop last week and it made me feel very anxious, kind of jittery. I suffer from anxiety anyway and am on Valium and Celexa for it.
I also found in the past that Dbol revved the anxiety up too?
Any ideas to why this maybe?
Thanks for any help in advance.
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Sometimes it’s easy to blame ailments on the gear. I doubt if 50 mgs of prop would do that.
Having said that steroids and alcohol will bring things out that are already there.
Some guys have no business drinking and some shouldn’t use steroids.
If your one of those dudes don’t use them.
Prop for trt is a bad idea anyway. You’ll end up with scar tissue and pinning constantly gets old.
Definitely no alcohol bud. Many people turn to alcohol for mental health issues, personally I have never gone down that route as I have seen the impact it has had on mates of mine.
Testo-Gel also revved up my anxiety. I am sure it's the fast acting ones that have an effect. Many years ago I used 250mg Enanthate a week for bodybuilding, made some gains but didn't increase anxiety, but this was pre-anxiety days. Although Dbol pre-anxiety days would slightly rev me up yet Anavar didn't?
Have you checked your blood pressure?
Blood pressure is fine bud and heart rate is good too. All okay on the blood works apart from low on Testosterone and estrogen is just above normal.
Alphamale500I've been dealing with varying degrees of anxiety and depression issues myself for a very long time, and I can truly understand everything that you're going through. Thankfully, I've gotten to a point where I can control my anxiety and live a completely normal life. It's probably not in your best interest for you to be running gear with such extreme anxiety and agoraphobia. If you can't leave your house and go to the gym due to your agoraphobia, then there's not much of a point of running gear to begin with. But like I said, I know exactly how you feel and I can totally understand it.
But if you really had to take test injections for trt purposes, your best option would be to slowly build up your dose with a long acting form of test until you get to the desired dose. From my experience, the short acting esters seem to cause the most anxiety. To minimize any anxiety associated with test injections and in time actually get your body completely adjusted to them, your best bet would be to use a long acting test ester like cypionate or enanthate. Not sustanon though, because it contains some short acting test as well.
You can start with just 25-50mg for the first week and increase your dose in increments of 25mg per week or every two weeks, depending on your level of anxiety. Or even if you had to adjust to the test injections at a slower rate, that's fine. Just do it at your own pace which keeps your anxiety at a tolerable level which is not overpowering. Like I said, I'm not recommending that you use test in any way, I'm just trying to provide some helpful information if you choose to use it with trt.
And for the people who say that you're thinking too much, or you have to learn how to deal with things, they don't understand how anxiety and depression work! But I understand bro! That's like telling a diabetic that he has to learn how to regulate his glucose better. Don't even worry about those ignorant people. They don't have the mental capacity to understand such a complex medical condition. Some people just can't understand until they've been in your shoes!
Like I said, I've been through many of the same things that you're going through, and I have about 15 years+ of dealing with varying degrees of this medical condition and various medications. So, I'll send you a fr request, and I can help you out with anymore of your questions.
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Thanks greatly bro.
Anxiety is such a complicated issue.
I have accepted your friend request
jayiskEveryone experiences anxiety as they also will go through situational depression at times.
But there is a big difference when someone is diagnosed with an anxiety disorder.
To say that it is just in your mind..,is the same as telling someone with clinical depression to snap out of it and be happy. Or telling an alcoholic that they can overcome their addiction through will power.
Anxiety can be debilitating. Some people get it to the point they can not leave their house. Anxiety is tricky because logically you know you should not be anxious and may have even learned coping skills to try and deal with it.
But still that does not help. It leaves a person in fear and terror. Full of worry and doubt.
Have dealt with anxiety, depression and chronic insomnia since i was a child. At times it has crippled me and made life a living hell. I have also worked in the field and am formally educated regarding it.
if you are knowingly taking drugs that will make anxiety worse you really need to weigh the reward vs. risk factor on that.
Will power is great! It works wonders !
As long as you brain thinks there is something wrong with what you are about to do.
People don't understand some times will power in not there because our brain will become convinced it is ok to take that road.
When people tell me about will power I just look at them and say let's try some will power. How about we take a hand full of chocolate EX-LAX so we can use "willpower" to keep from shitting our pants....
Hey Mr Bill to Da G Lol
I want to see you put up a Rap Song on the Roidbazaar site man - I wanna see what you choose! :-))
Do I just choose one or have to make one. Last time I was into rap was when it was real. None of this mumble shit you hear today. If I had to choose it would be Easy E.
Toss up between Cruzin in my 64
Or
Boyz-n-the- hood
You just find the track you like on Youtube then post the link to it on the RB promo page. RB will then upload it to his site dude - or yes you could indeed make one! Do one all about Rollin to the sound of injecting some hardcore gear into your buttock Lmao
jayiskAddiction is truly something people dont understand unless they have gone through it themselves. People will say do it for your kids, family, etc..etc.
First off an addict/alcoholic need to do it for themselves for recovery to start.
If it was as simple as doing it for someone else, will power, a moral issue, and so on.., then we would not have an epidemic on our hands which gets worse yr by yr. Since the beginning of AA they realized it is a very complex issue on many levels and dynamics.
There is also an extremely high relapse rate. It is truly a day by day..,sometimes hr by hr process one has to deal with for the rest of their lives. Addiction is truly from the devil. It usually starts off fun and enjoyable and quickly progresses to a living hell.
Its funny as I was reading a very good article by Louie Simmons earlier all about the mental state required for successful powerlifting, as in 10% of it is physical performance & 90% is your train of thought. He said you have to be able to manage both anxiety and depression and have the ability to override them in both normal training and competition to be successful. Never a truer word spoken - made think he was also meaning in terms of cycling and what you run too.
jayiskLouie and the whole Westside Barbell is on another level. They are 100% committed to PL. that is what they eat, sleep and breathe. Members usually arent married or have girlfriend. Some have taken crappy jobs just to be able to make the training times there.
Louie will throw somehow out of the gym if they are not fully committed to it. no excuses of any kind and never be late or miss training.
hoping to see this soon
https://youtu.be/N4abutGjK68
a decide clip from Vice news on westside
https://youtu.be/AvHM7H_hh80
Achilles412Anxiety is tricky because logically you know you should not be anxious and may have even learned coping skills to try and deal with it.
Hit the nail on the head my man. Worse part of the issue is knowing you shouldn’t even be feeling it.
Alphamale500Very well said. I couldn't agree more with everything you said!+
Totally agree mate.
Sadly I am housebound. Hopefully I will get better one day and be able to drive places, start working again..... Basically live a normal life.
My medical report says 'severe anxiety with agoraphobia'
The Dr has to come to my home as does the Nurse to do bloods etc. The Doctors surgery is less than 1 mile away, but too far to drive at the moment.
Gone from being out all the time, good job in demolition earning good money to now being stuck indoors. It's driving me crazy.
jayiskShortly after my mother giving birth to me see had agoraphobia. She told me how horrible it was and she couldn't leave the house.
Think it lasted between 6 months to a yr. After she struggled with anxiety throughout her life.
she was able to drive again but not on highways or over bridges anymore. She would have panic attacks and have to pull the car over.
I feel for you mate. Hopefully you will be able to progress through this. And at least get some normality back to you life. It has to be a living hell.
take care!
That's intense, I feel for you, brother.
I would encourage you to focus on the health benefits of fitness, and focus less on physique if that's been the case. I'm not saying lose yourself but keep in mind there are numerous benefits from lifting, fitness and eating properly. The right lifestyle can play a vital role in managing a balanced mind and anabolics are definitely not needed to achieve that. Consult with a physician if an intervention is needed clinically for your hormones, it may or may not be good at this point.
Improved body composition will follow behind one way or another.
Thank you so much brother.
I was thinking about ordering some free weights and using them at home as I can't travel to the gym at the moment due to the agoraphobia.
Diet definitely needs to be cleaned up. At present I am eating every 3 hours, but it's stuff like organic peanut butter, another meal with be tuna or chicken breast, some whoalmeal pasta..... But not eating any vegetables or fruits.
Drinking a lot of water and no snacks like chocolate or anything with sugars. Also no coffee.
IanMcqueenI believe anxiety is mental. You’re probably overthinking leading you to feel anxious. Just like a placebo when you think it’s working. 50mgs of prop won’t even do anything to you.
Alphamale500Straight up, you don't know what you're talking about!!! And if you don't have his condition, then how do you know what 50mg of prop will or will not do??? No offense, but you sound really ignorant bro!! I can tell you for a fact that just 50mg of test prop injected into a person who's not adjusted to it yet, can cause very bad anxiety in people who suffer from this type of condition!
I wish it was mate.
Definitely felt more revved up after the Prop, lasted a couple of days. Never had this off Enanthate when I used it about 10 years ago. It's almost like the fast acting Tests rev symptoms up.
Going to go natural after reading all the helpful replies on here.
Alphamale500They certainly do. I know exactly what you're taking about bro. Like I was saying, the shorter acting esters will give you more anxiety. Even the longer acting esters can give you anxiety until your body gets adjusted to synthetic testosterone. A small dosage of test cyp or enanthate, increasing in small increments until you get where you need to be is the best way to overcome that.
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I can't imagine if it was Tren lol.
Steroids tend to elevate anxiety in those who have anxiety and are prone to it; just as they elevate aggression in those prone to that. You need to make a personal decision on this as to whether or not you can deal with the increased tension if you stay on GEAR. If not chalk it up!
Rustyhooker50mg prop? 1 shot? Daily? E2?
Pretty much all steroids elevate anxiety one way or another even if you don't suffer with it - Test, Dbol, Adrol, E.Q and Tren for some are all known for it. You are supplementing your body massively with extra hormone and energy levels. No way should you be getting into steroids if you are already on Diazepam, christ there are people irresponsible enough who even run this stuff to be able to run steroids! Get your life in a controllable state first before venturing down the hormone path mate.
Thanks greatly for the helpful replies.
I have been on Valium for the last 19 years as prescribed and the same amount of time for Celexa. Trying to withdraw from Valium is horrible.
My estrogen levels are above average and Testosterone below average.
I was wondering if say something like Test Enth or Cyp at a low dose at say 125mg a week may ease this horrible anxiety? My confidence has gone, no sex drive and feel so anxious about everything.
So you want to take more drugs to counter the drugs you're already on? No. Find a way to get off the valium and celexa and watch your test levels come back. Go talk to your doctor and let him or her know what's going on. I will not recommend anything except a doctor.
Thanks mate. I thought due to my low testosterone levels that Test may help me to come off Valium and the SSRI (Celexa)
From all the helpful and informative replies, definitely seems that I should keep clear of Test.
My Dr wants to add more prescription meds like Amitriptyline and a new one called Aglomentine to the mix of meds that I am already on for anxiety. Not too keen on adding even more meds.
I have read about some natural remedies. There is a supplement called l-theanine that's meant to help anxiety and another one called Taurine, these seem to both be getting good reviews.
Almost sure that the long term Valium use of 19 years has actually made me worse, so definitely need to get off it...... But it is so incredibly difficult to taper. Even the slowest taper is bad.
backup2018I’m on amptriptiline 10mg every night for anxiety I was on all kinds of ssri meds but I got myself off them now only take 10mg of amptitriptiline in the evening. I’m happy with them such a god send.
That's really interesting mate as it doesn't seem to be used as much as SSRI's. I did read that it helps with sleep but no many reviews on it for anxiety. So it has helped your anxiety?
Bud if you can try and put every last bit of physical & mental energy into your training sessions, go for the big exercises like deads, bench, squats, overheads and this will really help with things. A lot of anxiety is built up by excess physical energy - these big exercises will drain you of energy and smash your CNS in sideways. Train 2 days on 1 day off - I guarantee this will help tremendously
Solid advice, mack. Someone struggling with mental health issues AND taking medication for it should not being playing with their hormones or taking anything without supervision.
Anxiety issues are no joke.
DobermannIt might man.i am no doc though i would talk to a hormone doctor.mixing anti anxiety drugs with test is bad idea in general.i would not co sign this to be honest.
DobermannBro kick the valium thats a bad drug.
Ur body gets used to it.anxiety is only in your head my man.
I used to suffer and still do sometimes but all u gotta do is ride it out.it always passes.good luck
Its definitely not ideal to take valium chronically. It's very important to not lower or adjust dosing without medical supervision. Lowering meds like valium improperly can lead to very dangerous situations.
Achilles412Any heart palpitations during your anxiety issues?
DobermannRarely man.sometimes yes but not for long.it all depends how much you fight it.as u let go ur body gets back to normal state.
Achilles412I have dealt with anxiety for awhile I’m in the same boat as you it’s being able to mentally control it and it’s done. Poof just like that. But I had a few times got the heart palpitations the missed beat followed by the thump and that made me freak lol but I’m glad you also got your under control. Good to hear
DobermannYes,just remember you dont wanna "control" it.
You wanna let go basically.controlling it may help at first and then u crash again.basic phycology.trying to control it as in shut it down will make it come up again sooner or later.
Its the idea of let it ride and pay it no attention that works in the long run.but seems like you have it under control.
I smoke some thc and hit the weights that also helps.too much thc on the other hand brings it up.moderate amounts:)
A great book on amazon its called
At last a life and beyond.very good read
Achilles412Surprisingly CBD oil has helped. But walks w the dog and the gym does the trick for me. Thanks for the suggestion I’ll def check out the book.
Self prescribing trt and using prop?
1st mistake.
2nd one is every medicine has a side effect.
Estrogen levels in men are increased by using anti depressants. Go get a blood test to see where your estrogen levels are.
Achilles412I agree w Irish self prescribed trt sigh. Don’t necessarily think the estrogen levels will be 100% to blame but any hormonal change can cause anxiety if your prone to it.
A friend of mine was on an antidepressant and got bad gyno. He had to have surgery. He got a huge payout too. It made his estrogen levels hit the roof.
Prozac, Zoloft, and a few others will increase estrogen in men based on dose. I should say certain ones not all.
Psychiatric drugs are notorious for this. Some totally screw up prolactin too. I'm a firm believer that psychiatric drugs are necessary some times but I also believe they are one of, if not the most, overly prescribed drug group.
Achilles412Oh I’m not in any way disagreeing that his estrogen levels ain’t a mess due to anti depressant I’m with on that just don’t know if that would cause the anxiety but like I said any hormonal shift can cause it. I do not believe in taking any drugs on top of prescription med w out running it by a dr
I agree. Prescription drugs that deal with dopamine's and then adding a hormone to it is a recipe for shit.
How soon did the anxiety start? Was it as soon as you pinned?