yeah potassium excessively, nitrogen too, and water, but there are other things happening that later studies found were accumulating too, but they couldnt figure out what it all was, just not muscle itself

ages ago i shared a paper with you, it was a follow up to the ones you posted where they tried to figure it out

anyways, regardless of all the bullshit, the absolute best property for dbol is the strength
and like you say, only need 20-25mg pd

LOL Nah, I mean EXACTLY unlike that quote!!!!

So again, as you seem to really have a problem understanding the question... and Rusty honestly this is not THAT hard to understand...

Regarding dianabol, specifically, can you show us something, such as a journal article or study or what have you, regardless of the century it was produced in, that does the usual scans of the body or what have you to assess myotropic action or actual muscle building?

Because you know... they have been done and found that the gainzzzzzz are probably not muscle related.

You might also take some time to tell us all about your dianabol only cycles, how you recommend the kids do them, given they are generally so short and build so much muscle.... etc. Break it down for us big man.

I’m sorry but I don’t agree Jay. There is a good forum over in the advanced group that Exoticnfit started on this very subject. There is a guy who doesn’t lift heavy anymore and hasn’t for sometime and applies tension and high total volume based training to achieve frankly astounding results. I do think it matters as to the base you have and how smart you are with your training.

Make no mistake I do lift heavy for periods. I’ve just come out of such a block. But at almost 45 “heavy” is relative for me now. My body just can’t handle the strain like it could 10 years ago when I was lifting much heavier weights. And maybe why I’m carrying a few injuries (nothing major) that tend to flare up when I’m doing strength blocks. I spend most of my time with much lighter weights now and am learning to apply much more of Exoticnfit approach and I am seeing good results and still building muscle.

I do agree that to build a base (of strength, power and muscle) which can be used to build on you will need to spend time lifting heavy and focusing on true power and engaging the CNS. Loads of these guys walking around with these impressive physiques but the minute they stop their cycle their impressiveness is ever declining at an exponential rate. This is the surest way to not hold onto gains. I am coaching at least one guy who has learnt this the hard way and is now putting in the time to do this properly and he has to get a bit “fat” along the way. He’s also pretty much fucked his HPTA from running stupid stack when he had no business to and has made the task infinitely harder than it should have been. Worst thing is he paid someone to advise him on doing this.

What about a study of trained athletes taking dianabol only?
Would you accept that?

(this is specific to dianabol now)

Hardcore Balls to the wall heavy lifting is where its at ....Real world results are all that count.

How do you think it would go down walking into Westside Barbell club and telling them all that Dbol doesn't work? ...

Cytokines are complex.
They are a form of proteins that react through cell signalling and receptors.
When we look at response through steroid use is that we get an upregulation of the good ones that react and gather around imflammation.
This is partly due but not limited to certain types of receptors being interferred with, our nutrient uptake is higher therefore our immune system is stronger and also our red blood cell count increases, they are the very basic functions that trigger the response, the brain, cns, liver, kidneys, pancreas, endocrine system, skeletal, tissue, hormones and lipids all play roles and of course they are all involved in the use of steroids.
Its hard to type about but if you look at the blood cells and how we get an increase in rbc (good cells) its similar with cytokines we get an increase in the good ones, they are part of our bodies immune system and a defense mechanism, with the presence of a stronger healthier immune system ( nutrient uptake) etc etc we see increase in these mechanisms and we also see a quicker response or reaction from them.
They gather around areas of trauma/ imflammation and fight the imflammatory ones off that are causing the pain and either take over therefore masking the pain or they atleast fight to create an even balance.
Obviously once we cease the steroid we lose the advantages of these functions therefore start losing the extra ones that help us, then we are basically back to where we were if not worse due to the added trauma we put it through whilst training more intensley on the cycle.

Our resident guru viking has interesting comments around the place, he swears by deca/ eq for joint cushioning affects again look at eq traits rbc etc etc.

With your cycle i dont know frequency of aromasin 25mgs is alot.
Remember you do need estrogen for strength and power, to high fkd to low fkd in saying that
I would say that isnt your issue i would say your injury is just fucked, i dont know if its bone, muscle, nerve, etc etc
If its not an imflammation issue you wont get any relief.
I would be getting it seen too before permanent damage, you not a newbie.
I would go to a dr.

what about the increases of collagen synthesis that deca said to provide doesn't that help ? or just bro science ?