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If a source disputes a review/vote saying that you are trolling and haven't ordered from them, you will be asked to provide proof of purchase by the source.

If you fail to provide it they notify us and we remove the vote/review and give you a warning!

BeastMode5085's picture

How about when we post labs we add on a pic of the empty vials with the labels so everyone can see we made the purchase? Then no need to send info to anyone for any reason. Shows we clearly HAD the gear.

wheels's picture

The biggest problem I see with this change to the system is that posting a bad review really pisses sources off.

We DO NOT know these guys. Are they a bodybuilder who is a pretty good guy just supporting his lifestyle, or is it the Russian mafia?

The order numbers are traceable right back to whatever address the product was mailed to. So you are in effect asking us to piss off someone engaged in criminal activity, then tell them exactly where you and your family live.

Same with email exchanges. Easy for the source to go from that email, to your order number, to your home address.

It would also mean keeping emails in my computer files showing proof of illegal activity for month sometimes until I know the gear is good. Not comfortable with that myself.

Your solution protect sources but exposes members to extreme risk.

How about a photo of the gear with a New York Times front page showing same date as posting?

Also even proving purchase through an order number proves nothing. The source will next claim its not a real order number (only he and the buyer would ever know he is lying) or claim the buyer sent in something different than what he can prove he bought.

Same problem with cut and paste or screenshots of emails as proof. Give me ten minutes with Word program and I can create any email I want. Source will just say that's fake too.

I believe this predicament is a large part why more bad reviews are not posted. A nasty, aggressive SRC can just attack constantly until most of us just say "why bother?" the next time.

Regardless of the decisions made here, I am definitely getting a remailer service. No source will ever be able to find out where I live again.

Nitti's picture

The guy who smeared one of the most powerful sources here is scared of repercussion? I'm sorry but you're being hypocritical.

Nitti's picture

You might want to elaborate on how I'm backing him up? Because I called dude a hypocrite? You need to be more conscious of your words. If you had a clue in what goes on behind the scenes you would take a step back. You think that noid has an opinion that I don't share? What you think there's a power divide here? And sources pay their way to the top? Don't be fuckin stupid

wheels's picture

Say what? I got one thoughtful answer from a mod that restored my faith that Eroids was impartial and watching out for both members and SRCs. Now this?

Please feel free to remove the lab test and my review of this "powerful source" if you believe it to be a smear. Personally I would have been very uncomfortable had I not at least attempted to warn other members of the potential danger of what I sincerely believe was a substitute product. If you are that confident it was all a smear, by all means, forget about it and remove it. I can rest easy knowing I at least tried.

And yes, with the way the SRC you are referring to has behaved toward me and other members, I have good reason to fear repercussions. I guess it's hypocritical to you if I fear repercussions but do it anyway. To me its courage.

Nitti's picture

Why would I remove your lab tests? What you think u have an agenda? You don't seem to get the concept of this post. You guys aren't the only ones who get scammed. Sources tell us every day that they are being trolled. And this guy isn't a customer. That one is lying. And bla blah blah. The source you have Beef with is gone. So guess what, moot point. Idc about it. I have no vested interest and don't care really. I care about doing my job. That's it. Opinions ,ehh. When you are effective at what you do most of the shit said about you will be negative. Go for it

PIN_CUSHION's picture

You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. You seem overly concerned. Maybe these type of purchases aren't for you.

wheels's picture

You, sir are right. I agree wholeheartedly that I have been overly concerned. In the future I will follow the crowd and keep all problems private between the SRC and me. You will see no more bad reviews from me. If I have testing done, I will keep it private. I have learned my lesson. Fuck it.

Roid Noid's picture

The biggest problem I see with this change to the system is that posting a bad review really pisses sources off.

this is not a change it has already been this way for years, every source that has told me someone was a troll I have asked for order number and or verification.

We DO NOT know these guys. Are they a bodybuilder who is a pretty good guy just supporting his lifestyle, or is it the Russian mafia?

and so is the life of online steroids. if its any consolation I have personally removed/banned/a good number of sources from eroids and none of my receivers have been targeted.

t would also mean keeping emails in my computer files showing proof of illegal activity for month sometimes until I know the gear is good. Not comfortable with that myself.

there is im sure plenty of guys on here that can run you down on safety for yourself, but worst case scenario write the order number down on page 24 of some book and put it in a book case...I think the pictures you have posted are just as bad if not worse and your not worried about them?

Your solution protect sources but exposes members to extreme risk.

its all a risk, what i can say though is if a source is caught threatening a member the source is reprimanded, and can be removed from eroids. I have not seen a source follow through with any threats to a member with the potential to loose their spot on eroids.

How about a photo of the gear with a New York Times front page showing same date as posting?

this is like comparing apples to apples, its just as bad showing possession. and im not sure what exactly its supposed to prove? almost all source complaints that require order number are for no shows. rarely does this happen for a bad review. but it does once in awhile, and i would say 99% of those times the source and myself have no clue who the person is. they ordered and when pack didnt arrive they made an account and posted a review.

Also even proving purchase through an order number proves nothing. The source will next claim its not a real order number (only he and the buyer would ever know he is lying) or claim the buyer sent in something different than what he can prove he bought.

this is true and thats why we use every method we can to check out the truth of the situation. if a guy is not happy he should first address the source and see if it can be fixed without a review. that means there should be a PM the member can copy paste, or an email he can forward. The source does not know what information we have on the problem and i dont give it to them, I ask them for their side. majority of the time they will screw themselves by holding back info or giving up info that confirms the situation. there is a couple other methods used that is privileged information and not given out to sources or members, so the system cant be fudged by either.

Same problem with cut and paste or screenshots of emails as proof. Give me ten minutes with Word program and I can create any email I want. Source will just say that's fake too.

this is true, rarely does it happen and work. most of the time a source that does this once does it many times. once we have a profile built their credibility goes out the window. but I would say if a source only screwed one guy every couple years he might get away with it.

I believe this predicament is a large part why more bad reviews are not posted. A nasty, aggressive SRC can just attack constantly until most of us just say "why bother?" the next time.

part of the review process is getting to see a sources character. whether or not it seems like you did anything to hurt the source or not is always a slow process. I have seen time and time again a source with this kind of customer service drop down the ranks over a period of time. that dropping plays a huge factor on the amount of packs being ordered and the income they are bringing in. if the source is dumb enough to respond aggressively you should pat yourself on the back.

Regardless of the decisions made here, I am definitely getting a remailer service. No source will ever be able to find out where I live again.

this is a great idea!

MegaT883's picture

In reading all that's been going on you make some very valid points that I myself was thinking.

eastcoastmuscle's picture

As much as i hate to say it, i have been guilty of holding back on a bad review because of a sources behavior and the fact he had my home address. Guy is very vindictive and i dont trust he wouldnt try to harm me for leaving a bad review by calling LE or another means. . but anyone should be able to prove their purchase with order numbers dated, and payment receipts . start backing yourself up in case of a problem now that you know staff will goto bat for you.

wheels's picture

After any gear I review has come through a remailer, I will do that.

I still have trouble wrapping my head around the concept of "proving" purchase.

Let's use an example;

I buy primo from source XXX. I try it and it seems to have no effect. I send it in to a lab and it tests bunk and is actually low dose tren. I post the report with a photo and leave a review.

XXX then screams "TROLL" and wants proof of purchase beyond photo. So I send order number and screen shots to Mods proving I purchased it.

Since the SRC has my address and I don't want the SRC to know my address, I ask the Mods to keep the information I sent private and not share it with the SRC.

So now the Mods have my "proof of purchase" that they cannot possibly verify is even real without giving it to the SRC. And if they did give it to the SRC, they would have to trust that the same SRC who just sold fake gear will be truthful and admit the purchase information was real.

In effect nothing has been proven at all.

To me a date verified photo is as good as it can ever really get.

eastcoastmuscle's picture

I guess the point is if your lab test and or mass spec is legit and you were sold bad product, the source really has no reason to go after you or try to harass you. if its bad more then likely they knew about it before they sold it to you. i guess if you want your problem fixed, giving up your identity is part of the cost of getting things made right.

wheels's picture

Sorry bro, don't want to come off as a dick but any SRC who would purposefully sell bad gear has THE MOST to gain by attacking you if you prove it's true.

And no, it's really not my problem. I already know full well the gear was a dangerous substitution and will never use that SRC again.

It is only a problem for the next poor bastard who ingests it.

If it was only me I would gladly risk giving up my identity. But I won't risk my family.

7gothic's picture

I had a source tell me not long ago that he was so upset by a mass-spec result on gear that he knew was good, that he was going to have several friends purchase gear from other suppliers, replace it with plain grapseed oil, and send it in for testing and then have those friends post the bad results so that EVERYBODY gets bad mass specs.....then what are we going to do?
I don't remember who it was, but my own personal opinion is to advise all members to get blood tests done, and have your own testing done by a certified lab.
I like Angus and if he can accurately test my stuff. I'm going to use him as my quality control guy.

wheels's picture

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CBBurrr's picture

Gothic, have you ever had gear you knew was good get a poor mass spec?

Roid Noid's picture

then what are we going to do?

well the first thing you should have done was contact a MOD. Knowing that someone is planning a scam and not saying anything is just as bad as being part of the scam!

I don't remember who it was

Conveniently!...But i suspect that with the post in the S2S you where in cahoots with the source.

advise all members to get blood tests done

agreed

7gothic's picture

well the first thing you should have done was contact a MOD

That would kinda be like telling on someone who just beat a child molestor's ass.

I mean, technically, yes youre right. But I was running out the door and when I got back home, we lost internet service for a while....then I went drinking and now everything is a blur.

Roid Noid's picture

I suppose your momma never told you 2 wrongs dont make a right?....

mine either!

Dickkhead's picture

I don't know how common this is but I have a relationship with my supplier that is old enough that if on occasion there is a problem - it get's resolved between me and them without me tearing them to pieces with a bad review. The only way a bad review would happen is if the source tells me to fuck off and I'm never gonna buy from them again - yeah, there will be labs, order numbers, bills of lading, pictures and a masterfully crafted deadly review worthy of being a sticky. But, I have definitely noticed that most of he negative reviews seem to come from folks new to the website.

wheels's picture

Maybe bad reviews come mostly from people new to the site,at least in part, because they have not yet been subjected to a nasty SRC and fanboy attack and decided its not worth it.

For those of you who do not post your problematic experiences, and instead work it out privately with the source, what good are you doing for the community?

I can see it if it was an ordering or shipping problem, but what about when it's a quality problem?

You get bad gear, the source replaces or refunds your and the rest of us who bought the same gear are just on our own?

Roid Noid's picture

this has actually been in effect since I can remember, just not widely known....

Nitti's picture

http://youtu.be/JGARHaQghRI

I had to. You walked into it this time big bro. Lol.
"Hey, you think that's good salsa? Well apparently you've never been to El Salvador. Pppffff"

I know it's the protocol but I think we need to make it more well known. Maybe it'll stop a few trolls. Not likely but it's worth a shot

Roid Noid's picture

see if BFG can stickie it here http://www.eroids.com/discussions/source and put it in the S2S where itll be seen. this section is just our regulars.

But your right that does seem to be me more often then not. I think ive spent to much time on this board, I cant wait for my new endeavor to pick up and I can get on with things outside of here.

Nitti's picture

Proof of purchase can be an order id, email exchange or anything else you can provide that proves you paid for and received an order. Or didn't receive I guess. If you provide it to the source when they question you and they call bullshit, you'll need to provide this proof to whatever mod is handling the matter for you.

PLEASE DONT START POSTING SENSITIVE INFO IN REVIEWS. THIS IS ONLY IF A SOURCE CONTESTS A REVIEW/VOTE!

kth3446's picture

That's a good. heads up, up until now i always deleted all the emails and any trace of purchase as soon as my pack came. for me its just about trying to find a ssafe way to keep order numbers and keep them matched with that specific order and that specific src.

Champion Of The Mind's picture

Agreed... some of these "members" only have one intention and thats to cheat the system... makes me fucking sick to my stomach, these sources do their best to make sure everything is right, they take care of us and for somebody to try to take advantage and wezel free gear at the sources' expense, it's a real piece of shit thing to do. I hope you catch them Nitti and nail their asses to the wall brother... I love this place and I'll be damn before I sit back and watch others ruin a perfectly awesome thing... God Bless Eroids, and no where else Biggrin

irongame427's picture

Its so fucked. Gear is so god damn cheap on here man what more could you want. Huge selection, fast delivery, good quality if you do your research. send all these assholes back to the gym to pay local prices 5 times as high.

UgtaBkdNme's picture

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Pale's picture

I think it is only fair, I would maybe clarify that the order # would be for the mods only right? One other concern is if that order number is shared with the source it could leave the customer exposed to retribution from the source. I am confident not all who order from a source include their username on the order. Once you do the source knows who you are if they are in fact paying attention.

For the record I haven't had any trouble where I have had a bad test. Just thinking out loud with you.

bodyanabolics's picture

stops inter source trolling brilliant idea

Gymjunkie01's picture

I agree 100% with this. Also I would go one step further and say if the member is truly caught scamming the src or trying to blackmail them it should be immediate grounds for banning and have a forum sticky that's dedicated to this shamming the member who did it. Just my 2 cents

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2500hd's picture

I like this good idea

Dickkhead's picture

This shouldn't be a burden on all concerned at all.

iFit's picture

That's awesome and much appreciated. Sources spend a lot time and money producing good product and building up there business and should be protected from the trolls looking to scam them for free gear or harm their reputation. Of course if there is solid verifiable evidence that the product is bad they should be accountable as well. This protects members and sources. Nice!

superman75's picture

in the case of getting a lab slip from my gp Dr to have my work-up done, what would consist of proof of purchase there boss? he hands me a slip I go to clinic then at my request I attain the common results form from my Dr, everything is billed to my insurance. not sure how to proof that sir.

vhman's picture

Proof that you purchased gear from the source, not a proof of purchase of the lab. Again, only if the test is being refuted.

superman75's picture

thanks vhman, appreciate that!

Nitti's picture

Thank you. Seems to be confusing everyone. I should clarify.

Doss's picture

If I'm understanding, we just include order numbers in the review or lab work? Wouldn't that compromise security a bit and enable LE to better ID or link us to purchases?

CBBurrr's picture

provide proof of purchase if the source questions authenticity

Doss's picture

Gotcha. Missed that somehow