posted Fri, 11/08/2019 - 00:34
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Just came off 14 weeks cycle.. (test e tri tren deca) i had lumps after injections in glutes.. lumps would go away after a while but very irritating does anyone know why and may alternatives
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Thank you I was thinking same thing , or maybe the allergic to the oil
AnonI'm doing 2 pins a week and split it up into .5ml half the time. Chest,chest. Delt,delt. Then the whole ml in one glute, and same for the other. I like to keep those sites "active" if you will..never tried bi's tri's traps or lats yet.. definitely no calves...I'm struggling getting them meaty enough to where I feel comfortable pinning them.. probably could, but meh..
You ever try quads?
AnonI have, many times on a cycle involving Ed pins..haaaated it..man I had a couple that went ok, but a lot that just felt horrid. Poking through shit, hitting nerves, just a general fuck fest of fuckery.
Bang'emI have never injected into the chest, dosent that hurt? it seemd like it would
AnonI have never had pain so far. I've missed juged depth and had some leak subq, Wich is fine, just a small knot, goes away in a couple days, I'm doing test/Deca so there's no pip involved, Deca is 500mg/ml, test is 250mg/ml.
Alphamale500What did you mean by this:
"I'm doing test/Deca so there's no pip involved"
Test, Deca and any injectable AAS can cause PIP. Getting PIP doesn't always come from which compound you're injecting. There are many variables that come into play which can cause PIP. Things like improper injection technique, injecting into a bad/wrong area, wiggling the needle around too much while you're injecting, injecting into sub-q tissue during an I.M. injection, injecting too much of a compound at once, and the list goes on.
To be honest, you're very lucky not to be experiencing any PIP just from the 500mg/ml Deca that you're using!
I've pinned both into my pecs at the same concentration numerous times. The few instances where I have had a mild degree of PIP were when I would go too low/too far inside towards the center of the muscle. I look at it the same way I do quad injections- high and outside
Alphamale500I can see injecting into glutes and delts as I.M. injections are meant to be done there and I use the same areas while constantly rotating. But imo, the chest is not a good area to inject. And personally, I really don't think biceps are a good area either. I.M. injections are really meant to be performed as a deep intra-muscular injection.
Have you ever tried injecting into your quads? That's another good area for deep intra-muscular injections. I know quads can be difficult for some ppl, as they are for me as well, lol. With only 2 pins per week, you should be able to get away with using just glutes and delts, can't you? Well, the more injection areas the better.
Medically speaking, the only acceptable areas for deep intra-muscular injections are glutes, delts and quads. But I realize everyone has their own ways of injecting.
Right I plan to on next cycle in quad
I rotate glutes, quads, delts and pecs. I have never felt the need to try to go IM into the bicep though. That seems like a recipe for unbearable PIP.
Don’t forget ventroglutes. They are a breeze and done medically.
As far as “deep” injects go. The medical spots are picked because of lack of nerves/organs/random shit. Areas that are safe because there isn’t other nonsense wrapped up in there. Just meat. Doesn’t have to be deep as long as it’s in the muscle. And recently we’ve learned that it doesn’t even have to be in the muscle. It all gets absorbed. Although a lot of oil in a subQ shot would be uncomfortable.
Delts really aren’t deep. And as long as you don’t get any subQ leaking it doesn’t matter how deep in the muscle you go. And even that only matters a lot for oils that are known for pip. I know docs that recommend 1/2” pins for lean quad shots. That said, I personally don’t have the balls for chest. I have enough meat there, it just freaks me out.
I do hit lats like it’s going out of style tho. Right under the ol’ armpit is my jam. No nerves. All meat. Never had an issue other than reaching over there with my other hand.
Alphamale500"lack of nerves/organs/random shit. Areas that are safe because there isn’t other nonsense wrapped up in there. Just meat."
Very true. Ventroglutes are a good site. And yes, recently some doctors are recommending sub-injections for trt. There was some information about this topic in one of William Llewellyn's books that I was reading recently. He was saying that two 40ml sub-q injections per week, raised testosterone levels more than one I.M. injection per week.
And yes, as long as you have some nicely developed lats, they can be a good area for injections. I was just stating some general rules that I prefer to stick by. But then again, if I need a new area to pin, believe me I'll find one, Lol!!
But oily injections are technically supposed to be injected by deep intra-muscular injections. Protocols do change, granted. But I prefer to stick with old school medical knowledge regarding oily injections. But hey, to each his own right?
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Very good points. And to be fair the docs that recommend 1/2” pins for quads only recommend them for self administration. Probably just cuz it’s easier/less scary for people lol.
Good stuff brother.
AnonI would assume it would be so due to the difference in muscle mass amongst individuals. Also, women probably wouldn't on average carry enough muscle to take an injection there. If you notice, all of the recommended sites are not gender specific, this must be something they accounted for.
My chest can handle .5ml no problem at the moment, I'd like more mass before trying upwards of a whole ml per side. It's a very easy site to inject! If you think about the volume per site, half a ml doesn't take up much room in the muscle, so deep is a relative term specific to the muscle mass. You can actually go too deep, as I'm sure some have experienced..I prefer center mass. I've done subq and did not like it, even with prescription testosterone cyp..welted up and was painful at .5 ml.
I hate quads.. I've tried several different strategies, top/sides, upper lower..never found a consistent spot I liked..
Alphamale500Not only that, but the facts in the statement below that @DfromPhilly mentioned above play a big part in a good place to inject.:
"lack of nerves/organs/random shit. Areas that are safe because there isn’t other nonsense wrapped up in there. Just meat."
Women wouldn't carry enough muscle to take an injection where? Delts? Haven't you noticed that doctors use the delts of women and men to give intra-muscular injections all the time. Such as when getting a vaccination and other injections. Sometimes, in ppl with limited amounts of muscle tissue, they'll just pinch the tissue in the delt with one hand causing it to pop out some, so they can inject deep into the muscle with the other hand. I guess they use their discretion for when to inject into the glutes if the delts are just way too small.
The term deep goes hand in hand with a large muscle group to inject into. I know what you mean about quads though! Although they are an optimal injection site, I never inject into quads either. I've also tried, but it didn't work out, Lol!
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AnonIn their chest! Sorry, I didn't make that clear. They hold more fat/breast tissue with less muscle in that area, I'd assume it'd be more difficult to safely administer I.M there
Alphamale500I'm curious. With that amount of bodyfat, why would you choose to run those compounds, or any compounds for that matter? I think you would've been much better off adding in a lot more cardio and reassessing your diet and training routine. To make those lumps go away, stop sticking needles in your ass because at this point you honestly don't need it anyhow. Let's be real here.
At 40% body fat, that's called,"Cottage Cheese Thighs".
Alphamale500Wow right! Lol!
Did you only inject into your glutes and did you load all of the oil into one rig? Not rotating sites and large volumes of oil per injection = painful lumps from irritation. The fact that they would go away and come back says it all.... You would irritate your muscle tissue, it would start to heal then you would irritate it again.
TronWas that picture of you in the Avi pic taken pre, during, or post cycle?
TronChazz Michael Michaels IS Figure Skating
Rotate injection sites!
Rustyhooker14 weeks cycle.. (test e tri tren deca)
You pinned how many points? Whats your pct? Your cycle was obnoxious considering.....
TronIt was obnoxious considering what?
RustyhookerConsidering he probably fried his axis. But op went awol....
TronAhh I see
RustyhookerIm betting he used only glutes and possibly got some issues too.
AnonYes, I actually happen to not be a Dr. so you're in luck!
When a goofy bastard, (you), injects esterfied testosterone or testosterone derivatives deep into their ass it irritates the muscle tissue.
This irritation results in a lump, or knot, forming in the affected area. It may be even more noticeable if you don't let that little needle bottom out inside of you, full homo.
Failure to allow said needle the satisfaction of "bottoming out" results in the solution being spread In between muscle fibers and subcutaneous fat, this is not good.
You're results came back...let me see here...ah yes! I'm afraid you suffer from full blown stupidfucks syndrome, it's an epidemic really. The cause is a mystery, but could be attributed to running tren, tren possibly could make your brain not so smarts and make your brain not so smarts and maybe Alzheimer's in the future..
Side effects include;
Asking stupid questions
Irritability
Asking more stupid questions
More irritability
Inability to urinate
Loss of memory
TronGoddamn it, Tbone..I needed that you cheeky bastard..was about to reply something very similar..then saw yours...no need for me to rub salt in the wound at this point...plus fucking TWO.
AnonLmao...I take my job seriously Dr. Tron. I knew you'd concur with the results...
TronI not only concur but I'm impressed...gonna have to step my game up on "cheeky basterdness...stuff..."
Bro.... I haven’t actually laughed out loud , from something I’ve read in a while... and let me tell you....that was funny, but if he is smart he will learn from it...
AnonWell my wife wouldn't put out so I was feeling sassy... lmfao
Sometimes tbone we have to take our turn too.... it’s only fair
AnonDid you see this guys stats? His bf% says 40.
40!!!!!!!
he needs a turn on a treadmill lol
Alphamale500Exactly bro! Smh!
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TronForty percent bodyfat means you're a big fat fuck...that is all...and a very true statement
Jackass
TronYes, I know. Are you sure you're at 40 percent??
AnonNo, he called you a Fat ass
It's hard to differentiate words sometimes for people with your diagnosis...ITS GOING TO BE OK LITTLE TIMMY, WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU HELP NOW, OK??
If almost half of your body...HALF...is fat, then you sir, are the jackass...unless of course you are a strong man competitor with a good chance of making a living at it...
I do hope you are ok though. But I have no shame in flaming you for your decisions.
Alphamale500Definitely bro! And I can't see the purpose of running especially those compounds, until he gets that fat under control.
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Lol