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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
6'2"
190lbs
33yrs old
I expect to cut bodyfat to low single digits and gain 15lbs lean mass.
| Week | trenbolone acetate | testosterone propionate | masteron propionate |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 2 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 3 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 4 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 5 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 6 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 7 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 8 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 9 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 10 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 11 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 12 | 350mg | 175mg | |
| 13 | 175mg | 175mg | 175mg |
| 14 | 175mg | 350mg | |
| 15 | 175mg | 350mg | |
| 16 | 175mg | 350mg | |
| 17 | 175mg | 350mg |
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dimonddavidsonGod its good having you back on the boards.
Honestly thanks for all the input and constructive criticism, my diet is spot on as far as to what im eating however it seems I should be eating more of it... A little history may help as well I'm from the heroin capital of the world and about 7yrs ago I flushed my life down the h hole, I got clean 2 23 13 and as I recovered my doctor referred me to an endo who informed me that id fryed my htpa thru opiate abuse...he suggested I try several naturalpathic remedys that didn't work my bloods came back at 250 then I lost my insurance and started doing some reading about steroids after some education and advice I started my first cycle 2.5 years ago...
RustyhookerThis plan is flat horrible. I agree with IM below. Its gonna cost you all your gains plus 2 testicles.
Best advice you can get, do a full pct reboot, stay off aas until you get your shit together. Your diet has to be terrible for starters, you are solely relying on gear and do you see where its getting you? Or should I say not? Spend time in the kitchen and if you say you struggle to eat 6 times a day at 6-700 calories a sitting then this sport is not for you. You do not need AAS, you need a nutrition coach. You are fucking yourself up for no return on investment.
Amen brother. Love reading your posts on these forums, they are always spot on. 600-700 calories per meal is a small meal too for christs sake. That's like two baked potatoes...
The sad reality is most of the time they dont listen anyways. OP wants to blast and cruise because thats the answer to all his problems. He says us aas users and I was offended a little as he should label himself an aas abuser. I hope I dont see a cosign unless its for a nutrition plan.
Agreed. I'm under the impression that anyone who looks at blast and cruising as a solution to poor nutrition doesn't understand even the basics of AAS usage. Cruising does nothing to maintain gains that a strict PCT won't do. A shit diet is a shit diet is a shit diet, there's no other way around this...
OP has a decent enough base to work with, but he needs to fuel it like a forge to churn out the muscle. I hope OP comes back with some dieting plans, his macros laid out, etc etc. then this thread can really shine.
You need to go back to basics... you don't need 1.5g of test per week to make gains, you need a reality check. Diet is off, especially if you can't keep your gains off cycle.
I read the majority of what was said below. But this is crazy bro. Short esters for 17 weeks? This is your third cycle? At this rate you're going to have so much scar tissue you won't be able to pin in ten years. I'd look into long esters, and completely change this up.
You mentioned below you lose all of your gains post cycle and it sounds like you depend on the drugs to keep your gains. Albuterol? No. What does your diet look like??? How about your training???
Switch is right bro 17 week cycle of short esters is overkill. You should run test only and either 10 weeks of short esters or run 12 weeks of long ester. Honestly you should not even run cycle until you learn how to eat big without gear because that is going to be the key to keeping your gains post cycle. But I figure your mind is made up to run cycle regardless of what you hear. Also you should get blood work done to make sure your good and healthy.
Thanks for the advice, im open to other approaches, for me it seems the long esters dont like me I get bad sides. Im planning on taking a "break" for about 12-14 weeks nust cruising on about 400-600mg of test prop.
That's not cruising....that's a full cycle. Also did a doctor actually tell you you need trt? You might have already fucked yourself up where you can't have kids.
You're young bro.. That's a terrible idea. That's not a break and that's not cruising. You get bad sides with long esters cuz you ran 1.5g of test per week. That's absurd. Please research more.
Cycles experience?
this is cycle number 3. first cycle was test cyp for 16 weeks @ up to 1575mg per week, I tapered up starting at 875mg per week. I had nolva on hand and started taking 20mg eod once my nips got sore. I also ran hgh for six months starting at 2iu ed tapered up to 6iu. post cycle was nolva and hcg.
My second cycle was tren acetate starting @ 50mg ed tapering up to 80mg ed for 15weeks, dostinex at .5mg twice a week. test prop at 20mg ed for 15weeks then after dropping the tren I increased the test to 350mg per week. Anavar @ 50mg ed for 8 weeks (started a few weeks into cycle) Proviron at up to 75mg ed I dropped this down to 25mg during first half of pct. post was nolva, clomid, hcg, wellbutrin, and albuterol.
I've been lifting since high school but not consistently.
3 cycles and your up to 1575mg of test a week, that's crazy high IMO.
1,575 mg of test a week? Holy shit man! I'm not trying to bash you so don't take it that way but... for someone that ran the past 3 cycles you listed you should be a fucking monster if you trained and ate right. 1575 test a week is way to hi homie you don't need but 500-750 max to get great results. Also I personally would run a real AI for the estrogen especially with higher doses of test. I personally prefer aromasin. Like I said earlier I'm not trying to bash you I'm trying to help you. I suggest you run only test at a moderate dose and make sure you eat like a fucking horse this time. Eat big to get big!
Try not to cuddle so much, a child can be left behind as it might teach them there is no trophy for last place. If someone cant accept critisism then natural selection will help them along.
just to clarify, that wasn't sarcasm, im actually thankful for the advice, and @dothework was giving me what I deem to be solid advice. Furthermore insinuating or outright calling a 33 yr old male a child, no matter how geriatric your saggy ass may be, is kinda itself childish, cheers @irishmac no insult intented bro but there's no need to come at me sideways
I take no offense you just need a dose of reality is all, btw my geriatric ass is 210 pounds at 5 foot 6 with 14%bf. You need to take my advice seriously and I never called you a child. I never went over 750 a week on any cycle I ever did. Im not a hand holder Im a life saver. Do more research and you will see you are wasting your time and wasting everyone elses when someone says to look at your diet and you come back with another cycle idea, Cycle food brother and you will grow.
Thanks for the clarification, any suggested reading? and what do you mean cycle food? I've heard people talk about food as the most anabolic thing you'll put in your body, or how a high protien high fat diet helps boost testosterone...but never cycling food, are you talking about carb cycling?
I hear ya. Just was trying to let him know he was fucking up but without being a dick to him. But you are right if they can't take some constructive criticism then they don't need to be on eroids or running gear for that matter.
word thanks for the advice I need all the info and help I can get, I read alot and wish there was more resources for us aas users, ya it was way too much I only stayed at that dose for three weeks, I couldn't hang lol. My problem is keeping my gains, each cycle has been great but then I come off and lose it, the albuterol seemed to help this last time, but at this point im strongly considering going all in im 33 and thinking of just going blast n cruise from here out, any suggestions?
I wouldn't decided to go on trt if I was you. Hold off on that as long as you can until you need it and I doctor tells you you need it. And about not keeping your gains after cycle is over... you have to continue to eat and train like your on cycle even when your off to keep your gains.
What were your results from those cycles and when did you do them?
from the first for the first cycle I got big! swole wit it brotha! I started at 185lbs 14% bf. I had trouble sleeping at first, skin got oily quickly I noticed it probably by the second week. Agression was noticed but not bad at all, the only roid rage incidents were in my dreams lol. testicular atrophy was noted around week 8. the hgh was most noticable after just a few days my skin was amazingly soft, My sense of well being euphoric. I ended this cycle having gained 40lbs and my bf dropped by a few precentage points. after pct I dropped back down to 205lbs. that was summer 2013. In 2014 I ran my second cycle also during the summer. this cycle was a high tren low test cycle with anava and proviron in the mix as well, I loved this cycle, tren is very agreeable to my body. I started around 195-200lbs at 10%bf the fat. urning quality of tren is amazing, for the first two weeks no weight change but noticable fat loss, I got hard as fuck strong as fuck and my sex drive went thru the roof, dostinex and proviro helped this massively. I gained about 20lbs weight but with the fat loss included who knows how much lean mass I added. This cycle changed my physique drastically
How much Tren have you got?
You have just uploaded a gear picture of 3 vials of tren that was lying around! That will only last you 10 weeks at 300mg.
Longer isn't always better, 8 to 10 weeks is long enough. it takes years, you cant expect miracles within one cycle. I wouldn't only worry about recovery time, but your lipid profile as well. You have to weigh the pros and cons.
I have just those three vials of tren 3000mg total. Im planning on switching to masteron propionate after 8weeks, and ill probably add in proviron and possibly another aas, I was thinking of trying dbol...