+ 3 Test/NPP/Winny cycle FINAL :)
UPDATED:
This will be my third official cycle. From all the advice and scorn i have gotten from putting up my cycle i have decided to change Tren for NPP. I also will be cutting the Sust down from 800mg week to 600mg week. The winny I've moved down 2 weeks and have it end now when my test cycle ends. Also included the Clomid/Nolva PCT although I'm pretty sure i won't need the Nolva.
Thanks for all advice and I'm always looking for more advice and more of peoples honest opionions (BUT LESS SCORN)
stats as of this moment : 6'1 BF 14% 192 pounds
Expectations : Loose 10 pounds of fat, gain 10 pounds of lean muscle. GET BIGGER
CONCERNS- Really want peoples input on this updated chart.
1) NPP- I've read some people suggest EOD, some say E3D and some say twice a week is just fine, just wondering peoples thoughts on that.
| Week | Sustanon 400 | NPP 200mg | Winny 50mg oral | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600mg | 200 E3D | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 2 | 600mg | 200 E3D | 12.5mg ED | |
| 3 | 600mg | 200 E3D | 12.5mg ED | |
| 4 | 600mg | 200 E3D | 12.5mg ED | |
| 5 | 600mg | 200 E3D | 50mg | 12.5mg ED |
| 6 | 600mg | 200 E3D | 50mg | 12.5mg ED |
| 7 | 600mg | 200 E3D | 50mg | 12.5mg ED |
| 8 | 600mg | 200 E3D | 50mg | 12.5mg ED |
| 9 | 600mg | 50mg | 12.5mg ED | |
| 10 | 600mg | 50mg | 12.5mg ED | |
| 11 | 12.5mg ED | |||
| 12 | 12.5mg ED | |||
| 13 PCT | Clomid 100mg | Nolva 40mg | ||
| 14 PCT | Clomid 100mg | Nolva 40mg | ||
| 15 PCT | Clomid 50mg | Nolva 20mg | ||
| 16 PCT | Clomid 50mg | Nolva 20mg |
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Not_A_Lukebout to try this very cycle. Wanna get strong as hell!
So keep caber on hand. Watch the aromasin...if you get achy then estro got too low. Then half dose. Read up symptoms of deca/prolactin. Read high/low estro symtoms.. I'm bumping you top score back up for researching.
Sust and npp require eod injectio times. Especially npp...its prop of deca. So npp for total of 300/wk. And research cabergoline! Aromasin is good for estro.....caber is prolactin. Write down what you find.....
JohnnyBlackyou know how a lot of people will take Test prop in the beginning of a cycle than switch to Test Eth.... Why don't people ever take NPP for a few weeks and deca and once the deca kicks in drop the NPP? Same concept but no one does it right? Is it just because people run Test longer than Deca always?
It sounds like good idea but the boost of deca/npp that fast before test will give decadick. Typically test to deca is 2:1 so sides of deca are kept lower. So on advanced cycles where watery bulk is needed dbol is better. I prefer lean solid gains so prop is preference for me.
Kickers when you're past a few more cycles...prop..tbol....dbol etc. Then like i pointed below...you can keep your weekly totals low but still blast off. Running combo stacks that keep you below 1000/week but work so well your end result is still 15+lbs
U beat me to it...EOD fo'sho!!! Yes!!, and caber!
I had to be a butthole and push him to research a lil..
JohnnyBlackI've done my research... i don't exactly understand why i would need it... but please do tell. what I'm reading is kinda all over the place... made for parkinsons but used for male impotence... it combats prolactin... WHATS THE POINT exactly...
JohnnyBlackgets rid of some sexual disfunction!!! combats prolactin..
Yessir.. Looks like you're gonna grow well!!
JohnnyBlack;-)
naguib123watch that winny, dont injure ur self
Actually is the best combo with test if you'd research. It frees bound testosterone the sbhc route. Research...research....
Many have found that running it also dries their joints out and causes major discomfort. While it's ability to free bound test is most certainly a useful one, there's more to the drug than that.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?468717-Is-joint-pain-from-Winst...
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/79565-winstrol-...
I could go on and on. I think Naguib was fair with his post, though with the inclusion of NPP into the cycle (has both forms of nandrolone have been medically shown to promote recovery in the aforementioned area) the winstrol likely won't cause him any real issues.
Was simply pointing out the good benefit. Winny does have drawbacks. Usually i see complaints from use at higher doses because it can make ya squeaky. I'm running Winny yet again for cycle in two Weeks. For me i get the good benefits at 25Mg split per day. For me the big drawback is I'm borderline hyper. So Winny erases my need for anything but a couple cat naps. Lol.
But i figured his comment was more directed at how this mess of a post started. Super high doses of everything including tren. Huge step made toward a good cycle. Now if he shows caber and why.....lol
JohnnyBlack"squeaky" HAHA :-)
good changes bro =) ,+1 for new cycle and for listening to us. I would run aromasin until 12 week(Because sust effect is very long)
JohnnyBlackIt'll be my first time using aromasin so ill see how it goes....
why no aromasin in weeks 11-12? there isn't a sense. in these 2 weeks ,how do you think to control the aromatization?
Math on my fingers
800 sust/wk
500 tren/wk
350 win/wk ( 7days x 50Mg = 350)
1650 Mg/week
And you're mad because repeatedly I've pointed out for 3rd cycle that in 3 years you'll be minimun 2000/Mg per week! Kick start that cycle with prop and you're at 2050 Mg/wk. Bammo!
Edit...double
JohnnyBlackThanks for all the advice , I will be switching from tren eth to NPP . Should i start on week one and do 8 weeks? When's the best time to start NPP and at what dosage ,I'm going to only pin e3d
in your expectation you say Get bigger.IMO you should only concentrate on growing. If your goal is to become huge,first you should think of becoming such, and only after thinking about the stripped-quality .Wait for tren for the moment
wait for the tren bro...go with aromasin until week 12
This is ALL BAD! Im barely 5-4 weigh more with less bf!! You gotta do your foods bro!!! Doses WAY too high and tren too. Why not typical third cycle? First though.....food
Wow!!...tren on your third cycle...damn. And you have experience with tren before? Why didn't you try to find something else, like NPP and winny together if your looking for nice, lean and clean gains? The thing is, is that tren is like the icing on the cake as far as gear goes. Once you're there, you pretty much have used thee most powerful of steroids. Where do you go next? Understand my concern? Just lookin out for ya!!
As far as the winny, oral or inj.?...anyway, what I would do is run it the LAST 4-6 weeks...why stop at week 9 when you are still carrying the test to week 10? The benefits of winny at the tail end of your cycle are phenomenal in respect to the SHBG/'freeing-up test' benefits before pct.
As far as pct-clomid AND nolva for four weeks is the best as recommended below.
IF you are gonna run HCG, start week about week 4 with 250iu's 2x/wk. up till pct, and keep taking aromasin OR adex till pct if you utilize HCG, since HCG can have an effect on your estrogen levels.
I think that's about it...chime in someone else if this needs cleaned up!!....my name isn't Tread or Viking!! LOL!!!
JohnnyBlackI understand what your saying and it seems to be the opinion of alot of guys on eroids, the thing i dont understand is tren doesnt convert to estogen, it doesnt throw my body out of wack, it didnt give me bad side effects before, and it worked really well. I dont really want to do NPP cause i dont want to have to pin super often, i would do deca instead at 400-500mg.
The winny is oral winny @ 50mg a day.
Im always open to ridicule and advice ;)
Stiil doses are too high regardless. Tren is harsh. Do as you will. But by time youre another 3years older a small cycle will be 2000Mg/wk.
JohnnyBlackI dont know how on earth you got that figure . If I do a twelve week cycle than say three more weeks pct so 15 weeks "on " and 15 weeks off that's 30 weeks and there's 156 weeks in 3 years , so that would be five complete cycles in that time . So I don't know how on earth u jump from 800mg to 2000mg. FACED
Because you're young and have no clue on long term users! Faced!! Now put dat diaper on....