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  • EditTestE, Dbol & Tren cycle

  • Stuubs   •   Mon, Jul 16th, '18 09:13   •   14 replies, 456 views

Cycle layout

WeekTestosterone EnanthateDbolTren aceHcgNolvadexCaber
1500mg20mg
2500mg20mg
3500mg30mg
4500mg30mg
5500mg30mg
6500mg50mg EOD0.25mg E3D if needed
7500mg50mg EOD
8500mg50mg EOD
9500mg50mg EOD
10500mg50mg EOD
111000IU e4d
12500IU e4d
1340mg ED
1420mg ED
1520mg ED

Description, concerns and expectations

I trained naturally for 6 years going from 180lbs to 230 lbs. Currently standing on 227 lbs with bf at around 17-18%. I´m 6'4 and 26y. After I reached 230lbs naturally, I was a fat f**k so I dieted down to 200lbs and have worked my way back up slowly from there. I have used gear for 2,5-3y now with the longest cycle being 20 weeks. I mainly stay off cycle as long (or longer) than what I´m on the cycle. This has helped my body recover well, even though I have to admit I didn´t use any pct for my first cycle (test only 250mg/week).
Previous cycles have included: Sust,Var,Deca,Win (and Arimidex + nolva).
Now looking to take a smart approach to my first - a little bit harsher - cycle. I plan to run Dbol and Tren separately so I know which steroid is causing sides if they appear + I can monitor how my body reacts to each better that way. Cycle length is 10 weeks and doses are conservative. My last cycle was 6 months ago.

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  • Datdude's picture
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  • Datdude
  • 11 months ago

Hey bro was reading this and just wanted to chime in, I’m fairly new to gear and am on only my fourth cycle, but wanted to say that I myself tried things separatly to see how my body would take. Any constructive input I could give would be keep a close eye on your estrogen when adding dbol to the test and one thing you cannot account for when doing them separate is the “ synergistic “ effect that occurs when all compounds are stacked. I had tried dbol with test than did Tren ace with test both separately and both compounds give me added strength, however stacking them all together is when the magic happened. Be careful, take it slow and stick to Tren ace so if the sides come you can adjust quickly. I had tried a TRI TREn mix and the long Esther’s hit me completely different than ace did. Good luck

  • Rustyhooker's picture
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Watch out for cosigning in eroids. Dude has no clue what hes doing.

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As you are an old member on this forum, I respect your advice and viewpoints. But saying I don´t know what I´m doing is going a little bit overboard. I´ve been training 8 years total now and currently also have coach to look out for my training and diet - not a pt, but an actual bb coach - . I discuss my cycles with him and if there´s something I want to confirm, I seek opinions on forums like these.

It might be true that my cycles and especially PCT isn´t what you like to see or use yourself, but in the end every body is different and hence I will keep the elements that have worked so far and try new things as well. I will take your advice on cutting and whether it´s test/provi or test/primo etc. will be decided later. You probably understand that since internet is anonymous anyone can say anything and it´s my job to pick the advice that I think is best for me based on facts, science and experience.

E.g. you posted a topic on injecting quads which some will say is not the place where you ever want to inject due to nerve endings and the possibility of infecting the whole leg. Rather, you should inject glutes and shoulders (this was from Dave Palumbo on Rxmuscle). This just as an example on how people will always have different opinions.

I would really appreciate that when you give me negative feedback, you´d explain what I´m doing wrong and how it should be done instead based on facts. That fat% info was good, but in the end the facts were posted by someone else. Then it´s up to me to customize any theory to my own use or use it as it is.

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Good info Datdude. I was thinking of starting Tren tgt with Dbol exactly because of what you said. If I end up doing it, I´ll pin TestE and Tren at the same time E3D for the first 2-3 weeks for optimal blood levels. This just because the test hasn´t had time to compound yet. After that I can switch to TestE 1 x week and Tren E2D. We´ll see. I might also make this into a shorter cycle (8weeks) so I can take a break and then do a mini-cut before heading for my christmas vacation. It´s always good to have choices, right... :D

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  • Rustyhooker
  • 11 months ago

That cycle is flat out poorly planned. I wont sugar coat crappy ideals bro. Full layout needs to be thrown away

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Can you elaborate a bit further? Would be nice to learn how to adjust it better.

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  • Rustyhooker
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  • @Stuubs

Fix your diet. Throw tren in the trash. Eat for your goal. Fix that pct...its garbage.

Theres no shortcuts. Tren sides suck especially when theres much simpler ways.

Cut or bulk. There's no combo deals. At your bf levels, cut. Simple test/provi and bloods to prove ai as if needed. Up the cardio and finish towards 12%.

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I respect your opinion. As for cutting, I think it´s a personal choice on how high you wanna go with bf before cutting. I don´t look fat and thus am willing to go into higher calories for that additional 10 weeks. My diet is actually very clean and I take nutrition seriously. It´s way more important than any gear I can put into my body. As for the pct, there are many ways to go at it. Some don´t use hcg, some run it while on a cycle, some start it on the 3rd last week and so on. If you have a pct-plan that is surely better than this, please let me know! I would greatly appreciate it. This particular pct just has worked for me in the past so figured it would work again.

As for Tren, the sides suck for sure!! I just don´t know if I´ll get them since I haven´t ever tried it. Trust me, I don´t prioritize gear, ever. Even now that I´ve been off for 6 months, I´ve steadily grown stronger and trained hard while watching my diet.

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  • Rustyhooker
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  • @Stuubs

Research your pct. Sounds like you just want cosigner. Wont happen here.

Read makwa post below. Good luck.

  • Makwa's picture
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As for cutting, I think it´s a personal choice on how high you wanna go with bf before cutting.

There is actually scientific proof of why you need to be cognizant of your bodyfat if you are trying to maximize gains. Pushing higher levels of bodyfat just puts on more fat and less muscle when trying to bulk.

https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/scientific-proof-lower-your-bf-before-cycling

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Thank you for posting this! This was new information for me especially now with the added range of bf% that I hadn´t read about before. I stand corrected. This will greatly help me for sure.
p.s. the article´s referrences were quite nice

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  • basskiller89
  • 11 months ago

That's a pretty intense cycle, not going to lie lol

I think if you're pinning HCG that early you will want to obtain blood work 8 weeks later. The way I run HCG is let the test clear and then pin when test is low enough so I don't get shut down again. Everyone reacts differently to these types of protocols. I can tell you've done some research, you'll be fine

Also, I think you're going to want an AI for estrogen on hand. I developed gyno without any signs. If I was feeling under my nipples for glandular tissue regularly I would have caught it a couple months earlier

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Thanks for your input! Yeah it´s definitely an intense cycle and that´s why I´ll go with low doses to see if I can handle it. The Tren def. isn´t something to take lightly so I will monitor my bloods and body continuously.

I was thinking of pinning Hcg 10-11 days after my last test-E pin. But I like the way you do it letting the test clear our first or at least go a lot lower. Makes a lot of sense especially with a longer ester. I will consider that option! While you´re waiting for the test to clear, are you running clomid or nolva?

I forgot to include Adex in the chart but I do have that at hand if I have any issues. In the past I have done Adex at 0,5mg E3D during a heavier cycle.

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  • basskiller89
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  • @Stuubs

+1 you have your head on right, you'll be very successful with the attitude you have

I do run an 8 week clomid and nolva cycle for pct. I believe they are staples in combination with hcg for proper recovery

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