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  • EditTest, Deca, Dianabol cycle ( Winter bulk cycle )

  • RockyMountainhigh   •   Wed, Oct 31st, '18 23:24   •   36 replies, 1218 views

Cycle layout

Week Testosterone EnanthateDeca Dianabol
1-4400mg every 4 days600mg /week. (300mg every 3 days)
5-11400mg every 4 days600mg /week. (300mg every 3 days)50mg every day
12-15400mg every 4 days600mg /week. (300mg every 3 days)
16-20200mg every 4 days300mg once every 6 days
21-24+200mg every 5 days

Description, concerns and expectations

I am 32 years old, 5'10" tall, weighing in at 165lbs, 7.9% body fat.
I have been pyramiding test for the last six months. From 500mg a week and gradually to 1500mg a week and back down. I intend on being on gear for another year befor i cycle off for a little while. I

Any opinion appreciated

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  • freedom1981's picture
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  • freedom1981
  • 6 months ago

I guess he injected direct to biceps , there is something wrong .

  • Dr.BroScience's picture
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  • Dr.BroScience
  • 6 months ago

Excuse me, what? 1500 mg of test and you are 165.

If not a troll, there are
a few obvious observations.

1) Your diet is terrible
2) Your gear is bunk

Your physique is more reminiscent of Tom Hanks at the end of the movie "Philadelphia" than an actual practicing bodybuilder

  • brick top's picture
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  • brick top
  • 7 months ago

learn how to eat, 165pounds is like 75 kilos? i was way bigger than you and still natural after 2 years of training, the gear dont work if you dont eat. 1500mg of test and you are not bigger, i run two compounds now and its on 1600mg on all.

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  • stairmaster
  • 7 months ago

I am 32 years old, 5'10" tall, weighing in at 165lbs

Eat and don't run a "bunk bulk cycle"!!!

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  • helloBrooklyn
  • 7 months ago

Not a bad arm at all, but it doesn’t put anything in context. That Vegan Gains douche has almost 19” arms but the rest of his body is built like a twig. He has great arm genetics and that’s it. Even a pic in a tank would be much better for a frame of reference regarding a before and after

And I’m glad you realized 1.5 grams is too much, even if it was the hard way

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  • Carlos Danger
  • 7 months ago

Sounds like you’re dead set so there absolutely no need for anyone else to chime in and give recommendations. Seems like a dead thread folks

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  • Hoagie22
  • 7 months ago

Obviously all of the feedback here is suggestions and to be honest very good suggestions. I’ll just say any AAS cycle no matter what you take and how much will never be optimized if nutrition isn’t on point even before cycle. Personally, I make sure before starting a cycle again, my body is primed and ready by reaching a plateau of a month. So if that means, clean bulking, I don’t just bulk for x amount of weeks, months, I do so gradually so my body can use what I’m putting in and never really storing it. That way is gradual and over time, then I’ll hit it with a cycle but Jesus never that much man. To relate to you, not comparing or talking down, I’m only 2 inches taller then you, 6’ and weigh 207 and at 10%bf on no AAS cycle, in fact that’s after PCT of 4 weeks, then 3 extra months for levels to even out. Point being, I had to eat correctly over a long period of time to truly gain the benefits of whatever cycle I was running. Patience is not a principal I’m good at but when it comes to my body and the long haul, I do everything I can research wise to make sure I’m never fuckin myself for the future and just make gradual awesome gains over time that I can keep. Best of luck and please take everything just like I said as suggestions never as someone talking down to you.

And damn dude, you been through a lot, physically and mentally...keep up the hard work man

Let us know what you decide and keep us updated on progress!

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No worries, brother. I cant be talked down. Just hiked pikes peak today, 14,114ft altitude, 28 miles back and forth, Whats up! Lol . Sitting at 173lb today and growing steadily everyday!! Another couple months and ill be a solid 180+. My diet is on point now and i am making some serious steady gains. This was my biggest issue most of my life, lack of good diet. This correlates directly with my mass gains.
I eat like a fucking horse now, cant even believe im sick of eating lol. Thanks for the kind works.

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  • SL
  • 7 months ago

HolyCow 1500 ew! Do not run that

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  • RockyMountainhigh
  • 7 months ago
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I agree, it was to high. I am one of the lucky ones that dont experience sides, unless i hit 1500mg of test then i start breaking out like a teenager. It was the highest i ever went and dont ever forsee myself going over 1000mg total. I started to get a little fatigue or just not as amped to workout. It was way to high, i agreed.

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  • basskiller89
  • 7 months ago

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  • helloBrooklyn
  • 7 months ago

You have a hell of a survival story and I’m glad you’re here and back training, but this is waaaaaaaay too much shit. 1.5 grams a week is absurd for your goals. You don’t need to abuse your body like that

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I agree , 1.5g was to much. Started to experience side effect and that has never happened..

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  • RockyMountainhigh
  • 7 months ago

Fuck...Okay, i will explain my past/ current situation. December of last year i almost died. Fell 3 stories onto steal re-bars. My feet never even hit the grown until i pulled my self off the re-bar.. i wont get graphic, lets say it was bad...Organs were punctured, hip was fractured in a few places, Bad shit. I sat in the hospital for 6 months with 4 tubes going into my organs pulling blood and all kinds of shit out of me and many surgery's. I couldn't eat for the six months while in the hospital, I lived off an iv. I went from 175lb to 130. I was unable to walk after i left the hospital from not being able to leaving the bed. I had to get on TRT becuse of low test and the fact i was a skeleton of myself. This is why i may not come off the juice. This last accident really got me good. With a lot of hard work andmy own gear added i am up to a solid 168lb this morning. I consider myself having one cycle under my belt since the accident, so far. I am starting my second. My RMR (Resting Metabolic Rate) is 1990. IBM 23. Body fat 7.9%. I am very active so i burn calorie like crazy. Free time activity are rock climbing, hiking 14ers, repelling, and snowboarding. My deit consists of egg whites, rice, quinoa, beans, avocados potatoes, sweet potatoes, lots of raw broccoli, grits, chicken, fish coconut milk, hemp milk, hemp seed, chia seed, protein shake (hemp and whey), nuts, raspberries, alfalfa radish sprouts, gluten free flax seed muffins, banana, asparagus and with some vitamins. Thats what i currently have in my fringe. If you want amounts per week let me know, But a lot of that. I did drop my gear down to 200mg a week and retained all size i am at now.. to be honest my deit wasnt great at first. I was deficit as fuck with calories at first. I had to re-stretch my stomach could barly eat and no appetite , much at first but i have corrected this.

So to be clear...i have put on some solid size and yes i have always been a hard gainer all my life. But I went from not being able to stand and support my body in june of this year weighting in at 130lbs and In 5 months i have recovered and i have put on 35lbs+, solid as fuck too. I will post pictures soon, with some measurements. I am looking to bulk up as much as possible over the winter.

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Sorry to hear about your accident. for an active fella that must have been 6/7 months of hell, so I can understand you wanting to jump on the gear to get fit, but it wasnt the best approach to take.
Well done on your food selection, lots of lovely grow and brain food in there, get some red meat in there too though.

I do not think you should cycle again for these reasons:
1. You have never allowed your body to adjust to TRT - silly thing to do, and no way is it real TRT because a doctor would be measuring you regularly in the bedding in stage, which makes what you are doing even more foolish.
2. After such serious injuries, to tax your digestive system this way may cause issues.
3. after organ damage, to tax your organs with dbol is foolish (DBOL doesnt build muscle, did you know that?)
4. After such physical distress from the accident, to take serious strength promoters such as deca and dbol, without a serious muscle base has the potential for some serious muscular and/or connective tissue damage. It is more likely than not.
5. Your cycle lists an androgen receptor hog in deca which will leave test to aromatise yet you mention no ancillary plan to deal with the cascade of sides from that. This shows a lack of knowledge and for that alone you should not be cycling.
6. You have not put on any solid size, but have regained what you lost, more or less? Yet you see this as some sort of steroid success? It is called rebound (mostly), was gonna happen anyway without the AAS. I do like how lean you are though, and you have a lot of room to grow from there but really think you need to address the silly "TRT" thing you are doing first. You are going to need to go on a journey there alone, nevermind silly steroid cycles.

  • press1's picture
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Dbol massively increases nitrogen retention which aids in protein synthesis - how can you possibly say it doesn't build muscle mate? ..

  • alekaras's picture
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it does build muscle but in a very very long run .in 4-6 weeks runs the actual muscle tissue gain will be minimal...not water we talking about real beef !! I will try to find a study that shows that orals do increase muscle tissue but in a very long long run ,wich for health reasons its not optimal !!

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Its worked brilliantly for me over the years, and for Arnold.

  • alekaras's picture
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yep you said it by your self broski over the years !!
you didn't become big and strong by running dbol once or twice :)

  • press1's picture
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None of us have become big and strong by using gear once or twice. What oral steroid produces more muscle mass than DBol then? lol

Point is - to say Dbol doesn't actually build muscle is completely wrong. It may not build massive amounts and it causes a lot of water and glycogen retention, build it still builds muscle.

  • alekaras's picture
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I didn't say it dbol doesn't produce muscle mass I said it needs time to do so not the average 4-6 weeks cycle....and to your other quote which oral produces more thats easy superdrol !!

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It still builds muscle mass though, the question was never how long does it take to build massive amounts.

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  • RockyMountainhigh
  • 7 months ago
  • @giardap

My organs are fine. I have had to see many doctors and many blood test, often. As for health, doctors and dietitians i see mothly. I appreciate the concern but i am working on hitting 180 off test. All i use is noveldex if i feel i need it and have armadex of hand but i honestly dont seem to need it.... honestly. I have all pct, clomid, hcg, hgh all on hand but dont feel its necessary at the moment. I intend on herting on hgh to come off my cycles to help keep gains. I feel great. Just hiked a 14er today, 28miles, 14,114ft altitude. Beat mode in the mountains. Trt will be delt with in the future. I avoid blood work from my trt doctor feon "fear of needles" :p
I see a private doctor and dietitian that over sees my health on my cycle and checks bloodwork.
Thanks agin for your concerns.

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If you get a lot of blood work done they should be checking your estrogen as well. Based on the bloodwork is how you dose your AI man. Going by feel isnt the best route because its not accurate. Stress, diet, sleep and many other things affect the way you feel. Getting blood work and dosing your AI accordingly is going to make sure you are where you should be and takes the guess work out of it.

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  • RockyMountainhigh
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I would like to think i have a nice muscle base....
I just measured my arms, little over 15 1/2 "
Thats not small .. right? Considering no real body fat.

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Its not necessarily small but its not big either man. Itd be different if you were 170lbs at 8% bf natural and looking to do a first cycle. To take 1500mg test to get to 170lbs is crazy. Muscle memory is a beautiful thing and you could of did it naturally without all the health risks but whats done is done. You should take giardap’s advice and get your trt all swuared away and stable for a while. Learn how to put weight on by eating the right foods and training your ass off naturally (on your trt). If you can accomplish that then i would say you are ready for basic test cycle

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Sounds like you just get off your last cycle. You couldve gained that weight back just by eating instead of taking an assload of gear. If you needed 1500mg to get ro 168 lbs what are you going to be taking a year from now????

“This is why i may come off the juice.” So your self prescribed trt?? Even 200mg is a lot for trt. Ive been cycling for 8 years and the highest ive took is 725mg and im 205 lbs at 5”5. One of my legs has more muscle than you do on your whole body.

You do not seem very bright At all and obviously havent done any research. If you would have you would know you dont have use so much gear. Everybody is always looking for the easy way out.

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  • monsterD996
  • 7 months ago

Idk what your goals are man but holy fuck. Your sitting at 165 and doing all kinds of up and downs with your test for 6 months and @1500mgs and you still want to run for another year!? Either your not putting in the work or your getting some shit gear or both. Not trying to sound like a dick man but you need to just cruz for a while or just come off for a bit then re start and keep the test simple like 5-600mgs and maybe some Dbol. But I don't see a reason to be going the high on doses when you're honestly barely bigger than my girl and she only runs small doses of tbol and Anavar bro.

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  • Brickiemuscle
  • 7 months ago

write down your diet on here

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  • alekaras
  • 7 months ago

you're 5"10 165 pounds gone up till 1.5 g of test ,and consuming 4000cals ???? no way jose !!!
probably bunk gear witch in your case is beneficial cause you dont know shit about training and dieting!!
if your intake was really 4000cals you would grow like weed without aas ,unless you're an Eskimo and metabolic rate is of the charts !!

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