posted Thu, 03/19/2015 - 20:01
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+ 1 Test Deca Dbol 2nd Cycle
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 180 lbs
BF%: 13%
Age: 26
Weight Experience: 8 years
Expectations after 11 week cycle.
Weight: 205lbs
BF%: 15%
Concerns: One mixed 10 ml vial of equal amounts of 5ml Test E 250mg/ml and 5ml Deca 200mg/ml due to mess up.
Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Pregnyl | Deca Durabolin | Dbol | Arimidex | Nolvadex | Clomid | Bromocriptine |
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1 | 1400mg | 500UI | 720mg | 30mg ed | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | ||
2 | 700mg | 500UI | 360mg | 30mg ed | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | ||
3 | 700mg | 500UI | 360mg | 30mg ed | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | ||
4 | 700mg | 500UI | 360mg | 40mg ed | 0.5mg eod | 0.5 mg ed | ||
5 | 700mg | 500UI | 360mg | 40mg ed | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | ||
6 | 700mg | 500UI | 360mg | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | |||
7 | 700mg | 500UI | 360mg | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | |||
8 | 700mg | 500UI | 360mg | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | |||
9 | 700mg | 500UI | 360mg | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | |||
10 | 700mg | 500UI | 360mg | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | |||
11 | 700mg | 500UI | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | ||||
12 | 500UI | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | |||||
13 | 500UI | 0.5mg eod | 0.5mg ed | |||||
14 | 40mg | 100mg | ||||||
15 | 40mg | 100mg | ||||||
16 | 20mg | 50mg | ||||||
17 | 20mg | 50mg |
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I agree with those saying stick to the dbol and drop deca. Dbol is an outstanding compound that gives great results. Deca is as well. But with someone who's only done 1 cycle, pege is right with his explanation. It's kind of like driving a Toyota (dbol) and a Benz (deca) You crash both and go to the mechanic. The Toyota will be ready to go in few hours whereas the Benz could take days to fix. It's just simpler with dbol. Test dbol was my second cycle and probably best cycle ever. But if you go with deca just stay in contact with people who can help like p2i2t
Have you considered EQ instead of Deca? Always heard gains are similar, but it's not a 19-nor.
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I think its over kill here , the idea of taking your time is so you can , not only find out what compounds your body can handle but what solvents also, not to mention figuring out your ai, yes #1figuring out when to apply your ai, the numbers brothers give you are just a base .. and on a test only you figured this out ?? And I see your only concern is a 10ml bottle of gear !! Your not concerned about elevated prolactin.?? Your not concerned that adex dosent alwayz hold for everyone , and alot of times aro is needed , ? Your not concerned about the side effects of your da?? Which they carrie a suit case of there own sides ?? You do know if you keep e2 ,in check most of the time a da isnt needed . Im not bashing here im pointing out my concerns , things that should be figured out ,(imo) before jumping to a 19 , , what are the sides of brom?? Im asking I use caber and I know caber is very rough on the heart .. but your not concerned about any of this , I suggest run your test , at most add dbol , and get some logs on paper .
Also your banging 5ml of product , do you know if your sensitive to eo, high ba , or bb?? Does your products have these solvents .. ??? There is a.wheel barrow of concerns here . Did I mention if e2 gets out of whack , there goes your prolactin , good luck any questions feel free. P.s. the dosing looks good I dont know about brom tho I dont use it, im just stating concerns I would be worriend about
Too much for a second cycle in my opinion too.
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This is a tricky cycle for a second go. Good luck. May the gyno not find you.
AnonThis is your second cycle? What was the first?
Test Enanthate 600mg/week 8 weeks along with nolvadex during and pct
AnonOk then. Well I disagree with most of what is being posted in here. I dont think this is a good idea for a second cycle. But hey thats just my opinion, you can do whatever you want. Good luck.
P2i2twell I am glad to see you made the cycle log as suggested. I have a few different pointers for you based on my opinion.first off,I understand you have a vial that is mixed with both compounds. in my opinion if the two compounds will mix together evenly then front loading is not necessary as long as you make sure it is mixed up prior to drawing.but if it is mixing up inconsistantly like you stated, then I believe you are doing the right thing by front loading.as you said, by front loading the vial will be all used up within 10 days. so at the end of the 10 days you will have shot it all and your blood levels will stabilize afterwards.then you can switch back to your regular unmixed vials of test and deca for the remainder.I don't believe there would be any terrible side effects of frontloading these compounds. the only thing is instead of waiting until week 3 or 4 or whenever you would usually start your anti E and dopamine agonist, you should at least start it on week 2. Just to be safe.
As far as the hcg goes you have totally over killed it here.you have to be careful about running hcg for extended periods due to the fact that you can desensitize your leydig cells. what my personal recommendation usually is to people is to research actually cycling your hcg within your cycle. the way I am running it in my current 20 weeker cycle is:
Week 8,9 hcg 250iu 2x wk (take two weeks off then...)
Week 12,13,14 hcg 250iu 2x wk (2 wks off)
Week 17,18,19 hcg 500iu 2x wk (stop 10 days before PCT)
that is an example of cycling HCG.I recommend you do your research on the product and understand about it's ability to desensitize leydig cells. this way you understand why you are doing something instead of just doing what you are being told to do.
usually I would say that 11 weeks is way too short if you are running DECA because it takes so long to kick in. especially since you plan on stopping it at week 10.But considering you are front loading this may be ok.I would still personally do 14 weeks stopping the DECA at week 12. Or do 16 weeks stopping the DECA at week 14.. But that's just me personally.I have always recommended to stop using deca two weeks prior to stopping your test E. this will give you 4 weeks for the deca to clear your system before PCT.
I don't know anything about bromocriptine and how to dose it. I've only ever used caber and prami. but as far as you're adex dose goes just try to pay attention if you feel you may be crashing your estro at all because it is very hard to recover from crashed estro and sometimes takes weeks. I personally take it .5 e3d running the same dose of test you are and that works perfectly for me. A lot of other people take it at that dose as well.but obviously everybody is unique and needs different doses. Just pay attention because every other day maybe a little much. but then again it also may not be.all depends on the individual. Just some things to watch for that's all.
I would obviously split the shots twice weekly.example Monday morning and Thursday night. When front loading I would double up each shot that week to the amount that you would do in your average week.so you get double your dose for that week. so on a usual week you would take 1.4ml of test E and .9ml of deca twice per week. but on your first week to frontload you would obviously take 2.8ml of test and 1.8 ml of DECA for each of your two shots that week.
hope this gives you a little information to go on. Any questions feel free to ask. Good luck!
This is a lot of gear for a second cycle. Jumping straight into a 19nor and adding an oral too. Maybe homie should roll with a test only for a more appropriate time than his last run.
P2i2the used the "contact me" link and asked me some stuff about this through email already. One of my suggestions was that he drop the dbol. I just forgot to mention it here.it's because I wasn't really thinking about it because I already mentioned it to him.personally I don't see anything wrong with adding DECA to your second cycle if you already ran a test only first cycle.yes, its a 19-nor but to me that term is thrown around like it is the devil.when in fact they are very easy to manage as long as you take your proper dose of your dopamine agonist.it is DECA not tren. everybody has their personal opinion and this is mine.just like you stated yours.we cannot say that either of us is right or either of us is wrong.
I agree with you bud. It seemed Like you guys had been talking before hand. I find deca to be a little worse than tren (or at least tren acetate) because the amount of time it takes to properly run it. Also, consider the amount of product he will be using. Test plus AI, deca plus caber/prami/bromo (whichever he uses), hcg, Dbol. That's seems a bit much for me and for a second cycle. My recommendation would be test only with a Dbol kicker. But ultimately whatever the OP decides. I'm not knocking your recommendation, you clearly put some thought into the ops safety in this cycle. I'm just a fan of keeping it simple and letting diet dictate results.
P2i2tYes, test with dbol kicker would be ideal. but he wants to run DECA. therefore I recommended he at least dropped the dbol. and this way I could at least give him the best advice I could as to run a test and DECA only cycle. I know you weren't knocking me. I did not take it like that.but a lot of times if somebody is going to do something that they would do differently themselves, they think they are right and anybody else's ways are wrong. I do not like that about people's opinions sometimes. the biggest piece of advice I try to ever give anybody is to research every aspect you can about any compound you are going to use.this way you know exactly what you are getting yourself into.just like I recommended to him to do his research.that is the best advice anybody could give anybody in my opinion. my other piece of advice I tried to tell everybody is to only add one new compound at a time. That way if you react badly to a compound you can pinpoint which one it is.definitely why I told him either do a test/dbol cycle or test/DECA cycle. Definitly Not both! he has already done a test only cycle. Therefore he knows how he reacts with test.now this time you would like to add one more compound. and he is not talking about anything crazy like tren. these are the reasons I don't see anything wrong with him running a test/DECA only cycle this time around.
Maybe and maybe not. Any advice on shooting 5ml?
how should I shoot 4.6ml? Split them between glutes on Monday and thighs on Thursday?
P2i2tI would use two separate pins. in order to get your 1.8ml of DECA that you need you will have to draw 3.6ml from your mixed vial and another 1ml of straight test E because you need a total of 2.8ml of that. so I would cut everything right in half.I would draw 2.3ml of your mixed vial into one pin. Cap it and proceeded to draw the final 1.3ml of your mixed vial and in the same pin draw your 1ml of test E. therefore you have 2.3ml in each pin. it is your choice where to inject. Glutes, thighs, and quads, are the best when injecting those amounts. you will be pinning every 3.5 days so you need to learn a good spot rotation.