posted Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:43
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
Age: 40ish
6'1, 210lb BF 11.5%
Eating just upwards of 5000cal/day
Goal is to put on mass and use the 4 weeks of prop and tren to shed the excess.
Due to my own stubbornness and ego getting in the way, and my fellow brothers concern I will be dropping the Dbol to 5 weeks. I will also try dropping the nolva this round unless gyno pops up.
Dropped Tren and Prop to 5 weeks. Will use both last 5 weeks.
| Week | Test E (split) | Test P | Dbol | Tren A | Arimidex | Nolvadex | Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 400mg | 50mg/ed | 50mg/day | 25mg/eod | .25mg/eod | ||
| 2 | 400mg | 50mg/ed | 50mg/day | 25mg/eod | .25mg/eod | ||
| 3 | 400mg | 50mg/ed | 50mg/day | 25mg/eod | .25mg/eod | ||
| 4 | 400mg | 50mg/ed | 50mg/day | 25mg/eod | .25mg/eod | ||
| 5 | 400mg | 50mg/ed | 50mg/day | 25mg/eod | .25mg/eod | ||
| 6 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 7 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 8 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 9 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 10 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 11 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 12 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 13 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 14 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 15 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 16 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 17 | 400mg | .25mg/eod | |||||
| 18 | 400mg | 50mg/ed | 25mg/eod | .25mg/eod | |||
| 19 | 50mg/ed | 25mg/eod | .25mg/eod | ||||
| 20 | 50mg/ed | 25mg/eod | .25mg/eod | ||||
| 21 | 50mg/ed | 25mg/eod | .25mg/eod | ||||
| 22 | 50mg/ed | 25mg/eod | .25mg/eod | ||||
| 23 | .25mg/eod | 40mg | 100mg/day | ||||
| 24 | .25mg/eod | 40mg | 50mg/day | ||||
| 25 | .25mg/eod | 20mg | 50mg/day | ||||
| 26 | .25mg/eod | 20mg | 50mg/day | ||||
| 27 | .25mg/eod | 20mg | |||||
| 28 | .25mg/eod | 20mg | |||||
| 29 | .25mg/eod | 20mg | |||||
| 30 | .25mg/eod | 20mg |
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Edit
Ahhhh, Karma in action! Someone doesn't agree with what I have to say, yet have posted nothing other than their own opinion on my cycle, and they down vote this post? Is that the last resort when name calling doesn't work? Troll.
Anyone can spout shit and be "knowitalls" but no one want's to back their facts up.
Zewi, I'm not sure if you have an anger management issue or you just don't know how to express your concern for your fellow brother in a positive helpful way. I'm going to go with the latter. You can do better than that. Some of your facts are off but overall you seem to want to help.
Prop's to: I'd give ya'll a +1 but can't.
Supernova283. Gave me something to think about. Might drop the nolva and shorten Dbol. Thanks for that.
dexitrim. Thanks for that. Was thinking about EQ as well.
Meister. Asked a genuine question as to WHY I'm running what I am. That's what this is all about learning and asking questions and being questioned. Good stuff
Multipurpose. Short and to the point question, that shows respect and concern for another brother.
Supernova283Well besides being really long and having 14 weeks of Dbol it isn't terrible. I mean 750mg of test isn't a huge amount especially for people who've cycled a bit.
I've seen people using nolva as a e2 blocker in breast tissue, but from what I've seen it's not very helpful. Keep with the adex and ditch the nolva.
You might also want caber and letro for sides.
Yeah other than that isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Drop the nolva and shorten the Dbol and you should be gtg although once again letro and caber would be nice.
PCT is gonna be rough though with that 19nor and like 22 weeks of cycle.
14 Weeks of dbol IS terrible. Dbol doesn't care if you were somehow lucky for 20 years. Stick to good research methods.
Supernova283Did I not say that I recommended shortening the dbol? I'm not seeing where our thoughts differ. I have the exact same opinion as you. How can you be arguing with me?
It clearly stated by you that 14 Weeks of dbol isn't terrible. Ots also stated by you that 750 isn't a lot of test. Well 750 isn't a lot til you add TREN. And 14 Weeks.....well that speaks for itself. Its not arguing. It's correcting hazardous info. Newbs will read the above poorly written cycle and see your statements.
Supernova283I said besides that he was running dbol for 14 weeks it wasn't terrible.
And the guy has 20 freaking years of experience running these compounds I think he can handle 750mg of test and a bit of tren.
Heres your point back for clarifying. However, your researches on here should clearly show you exactly why the cycle IS terrible. Up top where it says "edit" i posted a full page of proof why this run is crap. 20years of pure luck does not make it right. It simpky shows luck. Its haphazardly tossed together....looking like a cycle created by whats in the sockdrawer leftovers. Run thru any cycle log here or elsewhere and you don't see this posted. Sockdrawer leftovers is as good as "it was on sale".
I mean, Wtf! You post your cycle with a very liver toxic compound being run for 14 weeks and you don't expect to be shit on? I don't even like running orals at all for the fact that they Fuck with your liver, and at most I run them for 4 weeks at a time with support. If you've been doing cycles like this for 20 years with no consequences, then by all means, keep going til you drop.dead cause you've been very lucky.
Name sounded familiar. Clicked on name. Checked forum about human grade gear. This rodeos all over....
Good luck buddy
Yeah your math still sucks fast. Get a calculator.
Supernova283Hey I looked at his math too and I agree it's not great, but you were wrong about the BA being so high.
The reason being you assumed specific gravity had mg/mL units where it actually has g/mL. That's why you thought the BA concentration was so high.
You were totally correct about .2mL of 10mL being 2% though.
A lot of issues.. Nolva with a 19nor like tren will do exactly the opposite of what you think it will.. you will get puffy, runny nips.. the cycle seems to long.. im completely lost as to why your running test p and e the entire cycle.. Like every one said your going to shit your liver out running an oral steroid that long.. Over all this seems like a great way to grow breasteses.. how many cycles have you ran in the past?
zewiWhat the hell are you thinking?? Please tell me this is a joke.
You are going to run into problems.
Dbol should not be ran this long.. "Shit. My liver, which is sitting next to me on my couch smoking a cig says it's all good.."
well at this rate and this cycle you might not live through it--on top of that, your going to run into sides. You are going to crash hard my friend.---Your Tren to Test Ration is all kinds of fucked up..
Do not take Arimidex through your whole PCT--Arimidex lets go of estor so all that estro will be released when you stop it. if you were using aromasin well that's a different story cause it doesn't let go of estro..
Also were is caber or letro??? You running Dbol and tren....
REDO THIS ASAP
What am I thinking?
1. My liver joke was my way of saying I know what the fuck I'm doing.
2. I've got 20 years of cycles under my belt. If that really means anything..
3. Tren does NOT need to be run higher than Test. Tren at higher doses is overkill in this cycle.
Arimidex does not let go of estrogen as it never held it. It inhibits estrogen synthesis. It stops Test from converting.
Tamoxifen binds to the estrogen receptor stopping any free floating estrogen from getting in.
If you stop testosterone from converting to estrogen and block any remaining estrogen you won't have rebound. Really.
Caber is not needed at this low dose of tren. Letro is too harsh, destroys all estrogen and doesn't agree with me. Ever cleared yourself of Estrogen? It fucking sucks.
Also, DO look at the doses/day/ed/eod/week. It's really not that much.
I'm not looking for advice. I was just posting my current status. If it offends ya I'll delete it...Naw fuck that.
Cheers.
When your head plops out of your rear......fix this trainwreck cycle. This doesn't say 20yrs experience. It screams spoiled child!
You sir are full of crap.
Fast, shut your pie hole unless you have anything worthwhile and factual to say. Not that I need your advice, but what's your experience? How many cycles have you done, how much research have you completed? Quantitate that and get back to me.
When you can't win an argument with facts, resort to name calling! It works every time. Trolling 101..
zewi"I've got 20 years of cycles under my belt. If that really means anything.." I Call BS
"Arimidex does not let go of estrogen as it never held it. It inhibits estrogen synthesis. It stops Test from converting." So why take it all the way through PCT???? Arimidex works in two ways-- It works by decreasing the amount of estrogen the body makes. second lower the aromatizing effect of steroids--but not all of it..
"If you stop testosterone from converting to estrogen and block any remaining estrogen you won't have rebound. Really." Yeah that's fine and dandy.. But you are going to run into problems when you take ADEX trough the hole cycle and through PCT.. You more than likely have low Estro which is different sides.
"Also, DO look at the doses/day/ed/eod/week. It's really not that much."
Your taking 400mg Test e + 350 test p a week = 750mg of test and only 150mg of tren
So tren wins out 100% of the time because tren and test go after the same receptors. Your going to have to much test floating around truing int to estro-- what you think Arimidex stops it all?
"tamoxifen binds to the estrogen receptor stopping any free floating estrogen from getting in." only in the breast tissue, and very little other places.Nolva with a 19nor like tren will do exactly the opposite of what you think it will.. Thats why you see the nova/clomid together in PCT--and if you need extra help you go with Aromasin--not adex.
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Knew this was coming!
zewiRage all you want zewi. It's your heart. Stress kills man.
zewiStress is the body telling it press on and stand the fuck up.. If stress kills you i have no time for you.. I don't need some pussy foot stressed out, when i was overseas. Stressed is for the week. Getting pissed off is not stressed.
dexitrimSeems like a lot of pinning for such a long mass cycle. Why not use longer esters? Diet and cardio and EQ could sub for the prop and tren, I think.
What is your thought behind running the Prop while running the E? I can understand a kicker or even a finisher, but not the entire time. If you are running the Arim the way it shows, I really don't understand why the Tamoxifen the ENTIRE CYCLE. Clomid does not look right.
How many cycles have you run?
How much studying have you done?
I'm not the most knowledgable and maybe that is why I do not understand, but I think this cycle is off man.
The prop will keep test levels consistent. Even EOD Prop makes you bounce.
Clomid makes me crazy. Thats why it's 100mg the first week then 50mg after..
Bad bad baf.. Please research and come back.
Goals? Cycle experience?
Is that better?
I did not give him the answers, but helped point out some possible flaws.
You're doing fine! This cycle is like watching a motorcycle crash. Balls n blood everywhere!
Shit. My liver, which is sitting next to me on my couch smoking a cig says it's all good..
Milk thistle, Dandelion and Tumeric are also part of my daily regimen. I may lower the dbol to 25mg earlier in the run, but we'll see. I'll update as I continue.