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-1 Spring/Summer Cycle. Make Gains and Get Shredded.

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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

Im 35 years old. 5'10" and about 192 lbs. Lean....maybe 10% right now. I'm coming off a test prop only cycle this winter time to maintain and now will try to take it to the next level during spring. Test prop was at 150mg EOD for 10 weeks. So 525mg per week total. Ill have Caber on hand but wont start with it right away. A pct of clomid/nolva/aromasin which will start around 20 days after my last Sust shot.

WeekSustanonTren AceTest PropWinstrolAromasinHCGPCT
1750mg/week75mg EOD100mg EOD12.5mg
2750mg75mg100mg12.5mg500 iu
3750mg75mg100mg12.5mg500iu
4750mg75mg100mg12.5mg500iu
5750mg75mg100mg12.5mg500iu
6750mg75mg100mg12.5mg500iu
7750mg75mg100mg12.5mg500iu
8750mg75mg100mg12.5mg500iu
9750mg12.5mg500iu
10750mg12.5mg500iu
11750mg50mg ED12.5mg500iu
12750mg50mg12.5mg500iu
13750mg50mg12.5mg500iu
14750mg50mg12.5mg500iu
15750mg50mg12.5mg500iu
16750mg50mg12.5mg500iu
Bulkdaddy's picture

I would drop the sust and just run prop for your test...Everyone has there own preference about running higher test or higher tren.. Maybe cut the weeks down to Thats a lot of pinning! Or run a prop taper for the first 4 weeks and the last 4 weeks...

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BeastMode5085's picture

Have you run Ace before? You are pushing over 1200mg of test a week with only 262mg tren.... Not sure what you are hoping to get out of that but I see loads of side issues coming up. Test and Tren fight for the same receptors... tren will always win which leaves the test floating waiting to aromatase in the blood stream. 12.5mg aromasin probably won't save you in this situation. I prefer higher tren to test but thats my preference. I did a 1:1 ratio before and it was hell so I can only imagine what your 6:1 ratio will do. Just something to consider

Why are you adding prop in when sust contains prop? It may only be 30mg per week but I am assuming you are hitting this more than 2x pinning per week... at least you should be. Prop has what a 24-36 hour half life, tpp has 48 hours, isocap has a 4 day half life.... I dont see a need for the prop. You have enough that will hit you right away to keep you functioning with tren. I just think that unless this is cycle 15, theres no need to go over 1g of test. Just my opinion and maybe you are more experienced than I think. let me know what you are thinking

I agree below with the other comment on tapering with the prop while taking winny. The sust will hold more water on you, tapering with prop will be huge to helping your body come down from peak levels and you will finish nicely with prop and winny

blackops79's picture

That much Prop in Sust is not enough to kick start a cycle.

I do have quite a bit of experience so 750-1g of test is not outside the norm.

It seems that everyone reacts differently with Tren with some liking one higher or the other higher. Maybe even equal amounts. I tend to think of it like I would any strong drug. Using it to compliment a Test cycle and use it in the smallest possible effective dosages.

BeastMode5085's picture

You would have 450mg of quick esters of test. 150 of the sust is prop/pp/iso, so you are talking about almost 900mg of fast acting test. I just dont see it as necessary. Honestly, I would just move test prop to the end to use as a taper.

And whats your experience with high test low tren and using an AI.... everyone is different but I can't see 12.5mg being enough

blackops79's picture

12.5 is a daily estimate but I add more depending on the nips. I get sore nips easy.

Catalyst's picture

I get what you're trying to do here but I wouldn't set it up like this. The prop / sust part is messy IMO. It looks like you're chopping the cycle into two portions, the first of which I don't see a great deal of value in the sust being there, (The tren part).

blackops79's picture

I was also considering moving the Sust up to 1000mg per week after week 4 and just drop the Prop at that point also. Maybe use the Prop for a taper at the end.

chunkypbnj's picture

I would run a prop taper for weeks 17 thru 19 and run the winny 14 thru 19. It will give you a better finish imo. Less water weight as the long esters of Sust will be clearing.

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xflipside's picture

You wont need caber for this cycle. You are running a testosterone which possesses no affinity for the pro. receptor nor conversion to progesterone/prolactin. Did you mean an AI like adex/aromasin?
Or did you forget to include a 19-nor you are running? 19nors are the main compounds where caber is wanted. These include bolasterone, tren, and nandrolone.

Other than that I would recommend extending the test E two more weeks and stopping pregnyl once you start PCT.

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Fingers03's picture

What's the idea behind the prop mate, just out of interest.

blackops79's picture

Getting test levels up fast as the tren will kick in too fast for the small amount of prop in Sust.

Makwa's picture

Would you need to run the prop for a full 8 weeks? Might just need it as a 4 week kick till the longer esters start taking over.

blackops79's picture

Probably don't have to. However a little extra prop never hurt anyone ;)

blackops79's picture

Tren Ace is the 19 Nor

xflipside's picture

Oh woah I just reloaded the page and a whole new cycle appeared. My bad man ignore my comments
Looks like a solid cycle. May I ask why you are adding the prop? Does your sust not contain prop? Or are you trying to compensate for the undec ester

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blackops79's picture

Need more prop to balance the ACE initially