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Hello guys I need some help as I am finding myself in shutdown after doing a Deca / Test Cycle and completing PCT afterwards and am unsure what to do apart from getting an expensive specialist to have a look at my blood tests. I know some of you are going to say that I should have posted before not after but hey.

My stats
Age: 48
Height: 178cm
Weight: 83kg before, 89kg at the end of the pin cycle, 84Kg 2 weeks after the end of PCT.
Body fat: 17-18%

History: as per my previous post, have been training more or less regularly since Uni, used to take oral 19Nor when they were legal in the early 2000, then they banned them and i progressively slacked off training and put on weight. In 2014 started going back into training again, lost 20Kg of fat through diet and cardio, then did 4 weeks of Epistane before they banned it, gained 7 Kg of lean muscle (great results!). After a 1 year hiatus I did my first test cycle and gained 3KG net net.

I then decided to start a Deca / Test cycle last November to strengthen and and bulk up a little. My objective was to gain 5-6kg and then start trimming the fat off come spring. So I took

wk 1-12 Deca 500mg/week (split twice weekly)
wk 1-14 Test E 600mg/week (split twice weekly)
wk 5-16 HCG 500 IU/week

The results came pretty quickly. My strength went through the roof, I was very very careful with food not to overeat, I did lots of cardio, I cut out salt and got great muscle mass increase and did not really experience much bloating. I took caber, anastrozole and caber during the cycle.

My PCT was Nolva / Clomid at 40/40/20/20 and 100/100/50/50 respectively for 4 weeks. I started it 2 weeks after the last test pin and stopped the deca 2 weeks before.

The first two weeks of PCT I shed 3kg of the 6kg I had put on, I assume I had had water retention (well, I did look a little puffy in the end after all). I increased intensity and reps of my training and shed a further 2KG of fat in the process in the following month. So 6 weeks after the end of the pinning cycle I now look way more buff and trim than I did at the beginning, I kept my strength, my trap, lats and biceps look way bigger and I am quite satisfied with the results.

As I said, I had some mild water retention but no gyno however the problem started after I finished with the clomid. Balls looked shrunk, struggled to get proper hard and get any jizz. Sounds like a case of deca dick, right? I got some bloods done just now (2 weeks after the end of PCT) and found the hormone levels to be screwed up

Test: 7.7 (just about minimum)
LH: 1.1 (way below minimum)
FSH: 1.1 (way below minimum)
SHBG: 64 (above max - leaving very little free test)
Prolactin: <10 (below minimum)
Oestradiol <44 (OK)

The only blood test I did before the cycle was Test (17) and Oestradiol (39) but no LH or FSH.

You should also know:

  • My blood pressure is in perfect shape (120/70), cholesterol and liver OK apart from ALT at 110
  • Food: during cycle I ate probably 3500-4000 kcal a day depending on training, had quite a bit of oats, rice, quinoa and sweet potatoes as the deca made me insanely hungry. Now I am eating 3000 kcal a day, mostly protein, fruit and vegetables, but have cut the carbs right down to trim.
  • I drink next to no alcohol, milk or sugary drinks, eat lots of fruit, yoghurt, lean meat and fish, 4-6 egg whites a day
  • I took caber 0.5mg/week to help with the deca dick almost all the way through. I took it again a week ago, which may or may not be the cause for the low prolactin levels.
  • I used anastrozole 0.5 /week
  • I have taken bulbine, Aspartic Acid, Arimistane together with Nolva and Clomid during PCT.

So my main question: Am I right that the caber will not solve my problem, given the low levels of prolactin?
do I re-start my PCT? do I just take another 2-3 weeks of Clomid? should I consider GNRH? or do I simply cough up and go see a specialist?

Any word of wisdom would be very much appreciated.

WeekTest EnanthateDecahcgNolvaClomid
1600mg500mg
2600mg500mg
3600mg500mg
4600mg500mg
5600mg500mg500IU
6600mg500mg500IU
7600mg500mg500IU
8600mg500mg500IU
9600mg500mg500IU
10600mg500mg500IU
11600mg500mg500IU
12600mg500mg500IU
13600mg500IU
14600mg500IU
15500IU
16500IU
1740100
1840100
192050
202050
betterlate67's picture

Thanks guys for the advice. I actually used Pharma grade Clomid and Nolva and my mate did the same cycle with me and took the same PCT but he is fully recovered. So the quality of the PCT is unlikely to have been the problem.

I also am not COMPLETELY shut down. On Sunday I finally succeeded but hey it took a week.

I can of course do PCT again but (1) should I run just Clomid or also Nolva? I thought Clomid deals with the HPTA axis while Nolva deals with oestrogen and gyno (which I don't have), and (2) should I run it for the same doses and for the same time?

Anyway yes I am booked to go see a private doctor and yes I will have to tell him what happened. And this will most likely be the last time I do deca.

Finally, in reply to freedom1981: FSH and LH are in IU/L, Prolactin is in mIU/L, Test and SHBG are in nmol/L and Oestradiol is in pmol/L.

tone210's picture

i have similar problem with test,deca, dbol cycle. after pct my sex drive was shut down. im lucky it took me 4 months ro recover. deca shuts you down pretty hard especially when you run it for to long. try doing another pct and see what happens. good luck

freedom1981's picture

Hello bro . First thing you have to do restart your full pct as makwa said . Second your e2 in pmol/l or pg/ml ? And prolactin is ok it supposed to be between 3-15 mcg .
You know now test low and Lh with fsh low . Do your pct again and if didn't work you need a cure plan and there is possibility to go to trt as I don't wish it for you but also this mean specialist.
Give your pct the whole 4 weeks and see

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Makwa's picture

Your PCT failed. Your hpta is still shutdown. Did you use pharma pct meds or research chems. You are going to need to do another pct. Deca can be a bitch to recover from. There is the strong possibility you may not recover, especially at your age. Redo pct with pharma and retest a month after you are done to see if you have hopefully recovered.