+ 1 Short Bulker
Current stats:
Age: 45 (almost 46)
height: 5'5"
Weight: 185
BF: 9%
Planning on doing a short bulk for the rest of this summer/early fall. Currently recovering from some health issues and have been back in the gym for the last two weeks getting my conditioning back and putting some more weight back on. Will be getting bloodwork done in a couple of weeks and if everything looks good after that I will start this cycle.
First time running nandrolone so with the NPP I was thinking of keeping my tpp/NPP at a 1:1 ratio. If libido issues arise my thoughts were dropping the npp down to 100mg eod and keeping the tpp at 150mg. Caber will be used .5mg/2xwk. Would be nice to know up front if others have had issues running the npp equal to test or what your best ratio to test was. NO orals this cycle since my liver got beat to shit during my last prep.
I like to do cyclic bulking, but since this is a shorter cycle I will be using this approach.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee%E2%80%A...
As far as expectations for this cycle, I would like to end up overall at least 10lbs heavier. If I can end up with 6-8lbs of lean mass after it is all said and done that would be great. Kind of a lofty goal for an eight week cycle but if the gains are still coming I will extend it out to 10wks. Overall goal is to put on 20lbs of lean mass over the next 1 1/2 years. Going to take a year off of competing to focus on building up some more mass and then dominate at nationals.
Any suggestions/comments are appreciated.
| Week | TPP | NPP | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 150mg EOD | 150mg EOD | |
| 2 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 3 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 4 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 5 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 6 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 7 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
| 8 | 150mg | 150mg | 6.25 ED |
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Finally had my consult with my kidney doc and he is not worried about my creatinine levels or my kidneys. Long story short, I'm good to go as long as I keep my bp in check. I'll eventually write a more thorough write up about creatinine and protecting your kidneys but now I am on to planning a good bulk cycle for the winter. I'll throw up a cycle log sometime shortly but I am looking to keep it real simple.
Finally got my latest rounds of bloodwork
Precycle / 3 wks in/ 4wks in
Bun (5-24mg/dl) 33/ 27 /26
Creatinine (0.7-1.2 mg/dl) 1.16/ 1.53 /1.43
GFR calc >60/ 49 /53
CPK (30-236 IU/L) 1848/ - /504
Are those numbers way out of line for a bodybuilder with an above average lean body mass consuming a high protein diet and smashing weights everyday?
Also those precycle bloods were taken during the time I was still recouperating from the rhabdo and I was consuming a lower protein diet and not working out yet.
Personally I would be worried by the creatinine levels for a competitive bodybuilder on cycle eating high levels of protein. eGFR will be a function of the creatinine so again I would be worried about this. BUN is a concern but improving and could be caused by the strain your kidneys took with the rhabdo. The biggest concern for me is that CPK number which is improving and where it is now assumint no thyroid issues I wouldn't be too worried. It's pretty much where mine is normally but I do have some thyroid problems. Increased fluid intake and rest eat in 2 weeks would be my suggestion and see what the specialist says. Or play is really safe and abort the cycle.
My last shot was yesterday so I decided to bail on this cycle unfortunately. Was really starting to kick into high gear too, but I have to see get this straigtened out and see was the nephrologist recommends. Did learn somethings anyway. Libido stayed sky high even with a 1:1 ratio of test to NPP. Got back to eating like a bodybuilder this past week and gained an additional 4 lbs. Looking into a bunch of stuff now to help lower creatinine so maybe that will help. I have gained alot of knowledge on questions I will be asking the nephrologist, so I thank everyone for that.
Keep us posted fella and I sure do agree with your approach to safety first. I've got thyroid panel being run again next week am let's see if that's improved since the last time.
What's your blood pressure been like Mak? Are you measuring daily? Are you taking anything ti help control it? The creatinine and GFR numbers aren't optimal for your age. Could be due to high bp over time, amongst other things. BUN is usually elevated due to increased protein intake or dehydration, but not creatinine. Which is a much better indicator of kidney function. However you being a bodybuilder they may be "ok". Unfortunately I only have the general population to compare them to.
My BP usually hangs around 120/74, whether on or off cycle. Pretty much taken on a weekly basis. My girlfriend is a nurse and paramedic so she takes it pretty regularly when I am on cycle. I am meeting with a nephrologist in a month and also getting an ultrasound on my kidneys in couple of weeks. It just seems strange to me that creatinine was within normal before cycle and before I really started upping my protein and hitting the weights hard. After I started consuming 250+ g of protein and hitting the weights hard on a daily basis, now my creatine levels are elevated.
Glad to hear you've got a good woman to look after you. Seems like you're on top of it. I'm really interested to know what the nephrologist says so please keep us updated! Those are some of the most intelligent docs out there in my opinion. If you understand the kidneys you really understand the whole body. I've read some research that high protein diets will transiently spike bp within a few hours after a meal. Could be playing a role in the creatinine spike. I'm more used to hearing about that spiking BUN, but doesn't mean it's not possible.
dropped 2lbs this week
Had to adjust diet due to additional bloodwork which showed elevated creatinine levels. Strength, endurance, pumps are still great just lost a bunch of weight due to decreasing my protein intake by quite a bit. Reinforces just how important diet is in this whole equation.
Richard.SimmonsHigh BP,Serum creatinine also transiently increase after ingestion of a large amount of dietary meat diet sometimes causes in creatinine measurement. Vitamin C can help a bit. Are you a diabetic ? I'm guessing no but thought I would ask. When you get your bloods make sure they get BMP,CMP,BUN,ACR,UP/CR test.
Interesting. How elevated are we talking here? Mine are always slightly high and my Ck levels sits around 650. Doc is not worried given my diet and training - and that I have a slightly compromised thyroid which raises Ck. I know you had rhabdo so are they being extra cautious which would make sense?
Apparently they are elevated enough that my primary doc has set up an appointment for me with a nephrologist. I forgot me dang password to get my labs online, so as soon as I can get a copy of them I 'll let you know. I have always been on the high normal end of the range, but they must be going above than now if I need to see a nephrologist. I am going to try and get the levels ASAP so I can see for myself what is really going on here and if it is something I need to actually worry about. I think the rhabdo is making them be extra cautious here.
Yes pls keep me posted fella. I'm seeing my PCP on Thursday and I imagine it will involve more tests and looking at my thyroid function again with a view to making a decision to go on meds or see if it keeps recovering (which it's been doing slowly). I guess you've checked your thyroid function?
Yeah, at least my thyroid is working fine anyway. Bummed about the creatinine levels though.
Good to hear. I didn't know until quite recently that hypothyroidism often results in raised serum Ck levels. Let us know what those numbers are when you get them.
I'd be interested to see those numbers. I don't know about in the US, but over here GP's do tend to overact with this type of scenario. Raised creatinine levels are a dead cert for a competitive bodybuilder, but they do tend to equalise rapidly without drastic intervention nine times out of ten.
My creatinine levels were within normal (on the high end like they normally are) before I started my cycle which is why I started it since everything was back to so called normal. I now got tested while on cycle and both times the levels came back above normal (need to get those bloods to see what the actual levels are). I don't know if the AAS has anything to do with increasing the levels. I think it has to do more with the increase in protein and cals and likely being able to push things in the gym harder and causing more tissue damage. I think I need to drink more also. Hopefully that is all it is but regardless I'll get the values one way or another and let you know.
3rd week done. Gained another 0.5 lbs this week
Slow but sure I guess
Keep us posted over the next upcoming weeks. The nandrolone should start really pushing the collagen synthesis in the next 2-4 wks. Joints will get lubed and power kicks up a notch or two for me. You'll feel the pumps change with the power. One word of advice is when things start feeling light does not mean they are light!! I always have to remind myself that with Nandrolones. Don't over do things and get hurt. I would write down some notes while you're training and after you train. I wish I would have done this year's ago when trying new compounds. You may be able to find some small details in there that might help you later down the road.
I don't know if I have really noticed anything from the NPP yet. It is going to take some real magic to get these old joints from squeaking. One thing I have noticed though is that my libido has gone through the roof. Feeling really good so I think the TPP has really kicked. Pumps in the gym have really improved also. It just feels like the muscles are more powerful through the whole range of motion. Can really get some nice hard contractions through the entire rep making the muscles nice and hard. Could be a combo with the NPP and TPP helping with that but the intensity of the contractions just seem more powerful than when running test solo if that makes any sense. I am not increasing weight at all but I am increasing the time under tension and getting some pretty good DOMS as a result. Vascularity is increasing also.
300 SavageHi Makwa..I have been running NPP at 50mgs per day,,test prop at 60mgs per day..And truly loving the results..Also my 1st time with NPP.
At these doses I have noticed my waist looks smaller and my shoulders and chest look huge..
I really like the look NPP is giving me..
2nd wk done. Gained 0.5lbs this week.
First week in the books and up 3.5 lbs.
I wish i saw cycle logs and advice like this more often.
Got bloodwork done today. Hopefully hear back from doc tomorrow and if everything looks Ok I'll be starting this cycle next week. Got my mojo back in the gym so looking forward to getting things going.
How were your results?
Clean bill of health. What I was really worried about were my ast/alt levels (docs were too I guess, they thought I had hepatitis). They went from 1581/799 back down to normal (mid twenties). Creatinine was a little high but it always is due to lifting weights. Myglobin back in normal range which is what I think the docs were worried about due to the rhabdomyolysis. All good to go, so I will be starting cycle on Monday.
Very pleased to here that fella after your big rhabdo scare. All the best for the cycle.
Would this be Ok to run on a MWF schedule instead of EOD?
Not ideal in my eyes, but it isn't going to trash the cycle disastrously.