+ 2 Recomp/Cutting - Trying 1-Test CYP and Tren A together
32y
6.3
240 (Bulking: I have 2 weeks left Tbol+Npp+Testp+HGH 4iu)
BF13%
I'm currently on legit TRT 120mg test Cyp every Saturday.
My last cutting I started in May of 2014 and I was able to loose 30 pounds, but I only used Clembuterol for 4 weeks 2 on 2 off. The lesson learned was never cut without a gear, even if your diet is on point. I had DEXA exam before and after just to have an idea in terms of muscle lost. The result was 11 pounds of muscle and 19 of fat.
This time will try to do something different. I'm 5 pounds heavier than last year, but my bf is 2% lower than May 2014.
I will use:
Superdrol
1-Test Cyp
Test P (+120mg TRT dose)
Tren A
HGH
HCG (TRT dose prescribed)
My goal is to stay around 210 215 - 10%bf. For the Diet I will be adjusting during cycle but I usually combine Keto and carb cycling. I will post another topic in the diet session.
The first 2 weeks I plan to run only SD and 1-test cyp because I have to take my TRT Blood test and don't want crazy numbers so my doc dont pull me out....
| Week | Superdrol | 1-Test Cyp | Test p | Tren A | Adex eod | Caber ew | HCG w | HGH Seros |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 20mg | 600mg | 1000iu | 4iu | ||||
| 2 | 20mg | 600mg | 1000iu | 4iu | ||||
| 3 | 20mg | 600mg | 140mg | 350mg | 0.25mg | 0.5mg | 1000iu | 4iu |
| 4 | 20mg | 600mg | 140mg | 350mg | 0.25mg | 0.5mg | 1000iu | 4iu |
| 5 | 600mg | 140mg | 350mg | 0.25mg | 0.5mg | 1000iu | 4iu | |
| 6 | 600mg | 140mg | 350mg | 0.25mg | 0.5mg | 1000iu | 4iu | |
| 7 | 600mg | 140mg | 350mg | 0.25mg | 0.5mg | 1000iu | 4iu | |
| 8 | 600mg | 140mg | 350mg | 0.25mg | 0.5mg | 1000iu | 4iu | |
| 9 | 600mg | 140mg | 350mg | 0.25mg | 0.5mg | 1000iu | 4iu | |
| 10 | 600mg | 140mg | 350mg | 0.25mg | 0.5mg | 1000iu | 4iu |
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The thing about 1TC is that it seems like it takes a long time to really get going. Test E/C hits me about week 5 but both times I have ran 1TC it really started to shine around week 7 and just keeps getting better from there. I think a 10wk run of it is too short to really reap its maximum benefits. Sure you will get some benefit from it with a shorter run but I am a proponent of maximizing the potential of the compounds I am using. I haven't ran any tren yet so I can't really comment on how the 1TC would work with the tren, but I don't think people really understand how strong of a compound 1TC actually is. It is over 5x more anabolic than test, right on par with what tren is. I think that combining these two highly anabolic compounds (1TC and tren) may be overkill. I would stick with just one or the other. I was able to do one hell of a recomp with only 500mg/wk of 1TC. If you can't run the 1TC for at least 14wks then I would just stick with the tren a for a shorter run.
AnonDid your run your Test dosage higher than your 1tc ? If you have a minute can you post your exact cycle
You ran for that recomp I'm interested in seeing different options
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Thanks Makwa for you insight.
I can push the cycle to 14 weeks at 400MG of 1TC instead 600mg, but if I drop the tren a I might have to increase the testosterone for at least 500.
My second option would be run the Tren A with test p and save the 1TC for a future cycle.
I think it would be good to run the 1TC solo with some test, that way you can really get an understanding and feel for the compound. It is a strong compound and produces zero sides, except for some people where it causes some pip.
Couldn't agree more. When I run a new drug I like to run it solo, with test obviously so I can really gauge it's effects and not confuse them with something else. But that's just me. Where I'm at now my cycles only include a test base and one other drug. It's all about tje foods. Maybe later in down the like I'll stack things like eq and deca etc. but you know what they say , if it ain't broke don't fix it. And this works for me as of now.
I'm starting to get more and more interested in 1-test cyp lately tho.
Now I'm thinking about my comeback cycle being 800sust/week
400 1 test cyp week
Metribolone weeks 1-3 or final 3 weeks
I used 200mg/week of the one test during g the last 4 weeks of a long cycle. I saw dramatic body reshape and recomp.
Drugs like one test and tren have been the only ones able to shape my chest.
Telford786I tried 1 test Cyp and man the pip was the worst I have ever experienced. Have you run 1 test before ?
+1 pip is really bad, I stop using it as well.
I ran it for 12 weeks and boy was the pip bad. I even ran two different labs with no luck. I like Eq much better, way less pip and the results are the same. Just have to run Eq a bit higher since it seems to be a bit weaker then 1-test.
I heard about it.....it will be my first run with 1TC. I was thinking about bold but decide to give a try.
I will be surprise if you don't get crazy PIP.
Just worm up some 1TC last night and shot 1ml 200mg in my right upper buttocks. It has been 16 hs and no PIP at all. So I'm good...
Holly fu.....just to update you guys. For the first 36hs no pip at all. I woke up this morning with this pain and now I have this huge lump on my right butt. The pip is real...an I will probably drop the 1TC for now.
ur luck it wasn't in ur delt.
While you did lose some muscle cutting without gear, I don't think all this gear is necessary to preserve muscle. Personally I would run one of the two, either 1 test or tren. That's just me tho. Have you ran all these drugs before? And superdrol on Keto man idk about that. That would have most people myself included feeling even more shitty and lethargic then superdrol already makes us feel. Its a serious carb whore. On a bulking diet with a ton of carbs I was still tired all the time. I couldn't imagine running it on little to no carbs. I really hated it to be honest. I felt like crap and the gains were not all that. But that seems to be the trend people either love it or hate it.
Thanks Iron. I was thinking in starting with carb cycling for the fist weeks and chance to keto if necessary since I think for me it's more agressive. I agree with you that might be a lot of gear but the doses are not high and the test p will be very low 140mg per week. I might drop the SD but I really want to the check the sinergy between 1TC and Tren.
Telford786Which lab are you using ?
I'm not sure if i can talk about labs here. send FR
I like the idea. Should be a fun test.
The one test I had fro. Muta kicked like a bullet ant,but felt like nothing in one minute.
For those of you who think 500iu's a week of Hcg Is overboard on a cycle..read this. . 1,000iu's a week from this dudes doc is whats suggested. Just wanted to throw that in there lol to help the community...
Yes, for some people might sounds weird. I have been on TRT with 2 different doctors and both prescribed 1000iu of HCG weekly. The only difference is the my current doc asked to divide in 2 shots of 500iu.
I see... Makes more sense that way I think... My next cycle I was planning on 500iu's a week 250iu's split a week, I think should be enough sense I'm not on TRT. Thanks bro.