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  • EditOstarine, Clen, S-4 - Body Recomp

  • ErieToPitt   •   Thu, Jul 25th, '13 06:03   •   17 replies, 2584 views

Cycle layout

WeekOstarineS4Clen
124mg50mg (5 days on 2 off)20mg to 80
224mg100mg (5 days on 2 off)80mg to 20
324mg100mg (5 days on 2 off)Off (ECA)
424mg100mg (5 days on 2 off)Off (ECA)
524mg100mg (5 days on 2 off)20mg to 80
624mg100mg (5 days on 2 off)80mg to 20
724mg100mg (5 days on 2 off)Off (ECA)
824mg100mg (5 days on 2 off)Off (ECA)

Description, concerns and expectations

Looking to do some body recomp. Finished up PCT from my Anavar cycle, now looking to SARMs as a bridge to my winter cycle. I've been hearing a lot of great things about SARMs and their ability to recomp.

I'll be doing 5 days on 2 off for S4 (vision sides trying to avoid)
Clen every two weeks on and off, and ECA in between.
Ostarine every day.

My workout is 25 minutes of fasted cardio five days per week in the morning. Some circuit, HIIT, stretching. I hit the iron four days per week for every muscle group. Martial arts two days per week.

As far as diet, I alternate between a keto, and restricted calories to keep the confusion going.

I will update this log as much as I can.

P.S. Ostarine doesn't taste bad, S4 tastes like crap.

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  • KK9111's picture
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  • KK9111
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how did you like it??

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  • Pale
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I am watching with interest brother. I only made it to 60mcg clen without crazy cramps. Backed down to 40 and was ok. I only did two weeks on the first run been off three now, I was going to do another run but decided to wait until after PCT bloods next week.

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I get those same cramps, albuterol was much better for sides

  • ErieToPitt's picture
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Try supplementing with Taurine and Potassium. It does help. I get cramps once in a while on clen, the weird thing is they're usually in my neck.

  • safetyfirst21's picture
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This really helps. Clen depletes the body of Taurine, so at the very least supplement with that.

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  • safetyfirst21
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I have nothing to offer with the SARMS really. I've always felt with the doses and duration needed, its not reall cost effective. I'd rather wait for another run.

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  • waltr
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now this is not the recommended protocol at all and i'm saying that first thing straight up.

i've been on 120mg clen for 5 weeks now with no break, split 60 first thing in the morning, and another 60 7 hours later.

my resting heart rate is 116, i check it first thing in the morning and first thing when i go to work out in the afternoon. my body temperature is also still higher than normal and has been since the beginning.

i can not provide medical proof that the clen is becoming less effective, or that it is still just as effective as the first two weeks, but it seems to be doing its job even with the longer duration of being on it compared to the typical 2 on/2 off protocol

i should note i take 75mg diphenhydramine hydrochloride every night, don't know if that's helping the stuff work for this long or not to be honest

this is just my experience running clen for longer than most people suggest, this is also the first time i have done it like this.

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There's no way I'm running 120. I ran it before, and 80 is all I can handle. The shakes become way too bad. Everyone has a different tolerance when it comes to clen.

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like i said below, my real point i was trying to express is that i'm testing the 2 on / 2 off protocol for myself by running clen non-stop to see if it really holds true or not.

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I understand, I was going to do that myself with Benedryl added in, but from what I saw there are only studies supporting ketotifen to clean the beta receptors, Benedryl is mentioned mostly by others, but I haven't found studies to back it up.

I'd try ketotifen, but I haven't found a good source yet.

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I've had an even higher rhr. You are correct on the benadryl helping. Clen down grades the beta 2 receptors, and benadryl helps up regulate them. This helps a great deal. Clen also has a 24 hour half life, with these high consistent doses its building up quite a bit in your body. Though the body does get used to it, you'll still see its benefits for some time, even after you discontinue its use. And yes, this is not an advised dose. If you're able to handle this dose straight off, I can only make one of three assumptions: 1. Your body is still insensitive to the substance from previous use. 2. Its under dosed. 3. You're an anomaly.

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my main point was that i'm running it this long to see for myself if there is any truth to the 2 on 2 off protocol or if it's really just unnecessary.

as for the source, it's from a very reliable peptide supplier on here and i experience no side effects from this dose

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  • @waltr

I gotcha. If you really wanted to test the body's adaptation, you may want to consider not using the benadryl at all. I never did the 2 on 2 off, just continuous with the same benadryl dose. I "feel" that the body does adapt to its use. I put that in quotes because I actually felt different as far as the sides and results seemed to go. As the run continued a higher dose had a lesser effect, and the weight loss seemed to dip. I always felt the benefits on my breathing though. Even after a few months between use I started up again and had to use a significantly larger dose than my previous run for the same "feel."

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i really take the benadryl for sleep issues not for downregulation of beta receptors, but you are right

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lol, yeah it works great for that. I think its funny how many people pay for ZQuil and similar generics when its the benadryl that causes the drowsiness.