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  • Bsham   •   Thu, May 24th, '18 09:36   •   45 replies, 1309 views

Cycle layout

WeekAnadrolTest eNandrolone (Deca)
175mg500mg300mg
275mg500mg300mg
375mg500mg300mg
475mg500mg300mg
5500mg300mg
6500mg300mg
7500mg300mg
8500mg300mg
9500mg300mg
10500mg300mg
11500mg300mg
12500mg300mg
13500mg
14500mg

Description, concerns and expectations

This will be a cycle log for the following:

Test e by Bayer Pharma (12 weeks)
*test prop by CMAXX(4 weeks) *(have stopped using this now due to advice)
Nandrolone by VTP (12 weeks)
Anadrol by ASLabs(4 weeks)

Will be 12 weeks total, am using [email protected] .5mg EOD with letro on hand. This is my first cycle that I've had Deca in. Previously I've stuck to Anadrol and test. I choose Anadrol over Dbol as I respond incredibly well to Anadrol and get little sides and I found dbol bloats me too much.

Stats are:

Age: 35
Height: 5'9
Weight: 98.5KG (217 pounds)
Body fat: Don't know but don't care. The mirror tells me if I'm too fat or not (have more than I would like at the moment) but I'm going to be careful though as I'm an endomorph so putting on weight is very easy. Will be doing cardio 3 x a week too.

Here is my training scedule:

Chest/shoulders/triceps:

incline dumbbells press 5 sets
cable crossovers 5 sets (high and low)
landmine press 4 sets
single arm landmine press 4 sets
lateral dumbbell raises 4 sets
one arm cable lateral raise 4 sets
tricep pushdown 4 sets
also add in some rotator cuff exercises

back:

deadlifts (heavy)5 sets
bent over rows 4 sets
facepulls 4 sets
cable rows 4 sets
lateral push down 4 sets
wide grip pull downs 4 sets
reardelt flyes 4 sets
hammer curls 5 sets
bicep curls 4 sets

Legs:

Squats (heavy) 5 sets
lunges 5 sets
leg press 5 sets
leg curl 5 sets but light as I know it's bad for your knees

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  • Bsham's picture
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Posted before and after pics as cycle is pretty much done now. What was meant to be a bulk turned into a cut, which I'm glad happened as need to cut more.

Body fat and weight is down but I'm stronger than I ever have been on all the major compound lifts and actually feel a lot fitter overall. I've decided to focus on getting proper cut now for the foreseeable future as I think I prefer the leaner look over the bulkier look.

Not going to do another cycle for at least 6 months or maybe longer now.

edit: excuse the tan lines. Has been a very hot summer here in England.

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  • Bsham
  • 8 months ago

Quick question to anyone: I have caber on hand, I've not experienced any sides but should I be taking it anyway during the cycle or not?

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It's unlikely you'll need to lower your prolactin / progesterone if your estrogen is under control brother. Blood work is the only true way to know what's going on

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Unlikely but necessary to keep caber or prami on hand. It's UNLIKELY that he will do proper testwork.

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OK, thank you. Will keep it on hand then.

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seriously, keep prami/caber on hand. a lot of people say that but they don't do it

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  • Bsham
  • 7 months ago
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I have. I've got a bottle of 1mg caber tabs (20 in total)

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  • j223
  • 8 months ago

If you are going to run a proper DECA cycle, you need to clean up this log first because it looks like a disaster/mess.

Test Cyp/E 16 weeks
Deca 14 weeks
drol (optional) first 3-4 weeks @ 150mg (yes its better to dose drol 3x a day)

no prop
need adex 0.25mg per day (upped to 0.5 if needed)
dostinex 0.25mg every other day
HCG
PCT

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  • Bsham
  • 8 months ago
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I was going to ask if I should continue the test a couple of weeks after dropping the deca, so I will do that. I wouldn't risk doing 150mg of anadrol a day though, think that's pushing it for me.

I've dropped the prop completely now. Not sure of dostinex as haven't researched so will look into that.

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Yes run test 1-2 weeks longer. Get dostinex or pramipexole for offhand. You will need it. Even if you dont need it I recommend it last half of your cycle to keep progestin sides in check

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Your link doesn’t work.
Also a lot more people become sick when dosing prami. The only things that I have noted that would make prami a better choice is bioavailability & less toxic on the liver. Because prami is mostly absorbed in the kidney

Pramipexole has an absolute oral bioavailability greater than 90%, indicating good absorption and little first pass metabolism. Its elimination half-life is 8 hours in young, healthy volunteers

Cabergoline is moderately bound (around 40%) to human plasma proteins in a concentration-independent manner; concomitant administration of highly protein-bound drugs is unlikely to affect its disposition. The absolute bioavailability of cabergoline is unknown. Cabergoline is extensively metabolised by the liver, making it much more hepatotoxicity. The elimination half-life of cabergoline estimated from urinary data of healthy subjects ranges between 63 and 109 hours.

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  • j223
  • 8 months ago

You need to post cycle info in your log, otherwise we will assume this is your first or second cycle. Judging by your physique and lack of cycle history we can safely assume that.

If this is a first cycle, Drop the DECA and test prop.

Still if not first cycle, drop deca and test prop. Why test prop in addition to deca and test AND drol?? Having the extra aromatization in addition to running drol is unnecessary. You will be bloated like a pufferfish. You did not indicate any use of adjustment of arimidex dose. If you've never run deca but still using same adex dose as if you were running test only then you are mistaken.

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  • Bsham
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Hi, it's my fourth. Did one last year and 2 others a good few years back but those first two I didn't have training or diet on point. All previous one's have been test and anadrol only with dbol the exception in one.

This is my first deca cycle, I understand the risks of deca but my mind has been set on using it for a long time so I'm sticking with it. I know my body and if things start going wrong I will drop it and have precautions available, but it's something I needed to try. I added the prop to have some active test in until the others kick in. I have stopped using it now due to advice others have said so will update that.

I'm using adex .5 EOD, that's a good way to do it from all the research I've done. I've also got caber now as someone mentioned it. I only have it on hand though incase, plus letro there as well.

I have plenty of adex and if I do start bloating I will up the dose but so far it's doing fine at the current dose. It's a powerful drug so don't want to use any more than I have to if I don't have reason to right now.

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  • j223
  • 8 months ago

Are you running dostinex, prami or parlodel?

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No, but should I be? I don't want to overload myself with more drugs than necessary. I know how I respond to test and anadrol and know what to expect, it's just the deca I'm being cautious of as it's jumping into the unknown.

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keep some prami or dostinex on hand

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  • PPGfreak
  • 8 months ago

What’s your diet look like? Personally not a fan of two kick starters, I’d pick either prop or Anadrol but not both.

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Hi, yeah someone else mentioned I should drop one of them. I was just worried that if I started the Anadrol I'd have no active test for a while until the test e kicks in, so wanted to use the prop to have some active in my system. If that is the wrong idea I have no problems dropping the prop.

This is my diet:

breakfast: milled oats and bran flakes mixed together, full fat milk, casein and whey (half scoop each)
mid-morning: handful of mixed nuts, casein shake
lunch: either jacket potatoe with tuna or some rye bread with cottage cheese
mid afternoon: handful of seeds, whey and casein shake (half scoop each)
dinner: brown rice and mixed veg with either chicken or cod(sardines EOD for the fats)
and 3 hours before bed I have another casein shake as it's slow release for during the night.

That's my standard daily diet, some things may change if I'm out or something but that's the standard.

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I agree with PPG and Max. There is just too much shake in there.

My own recommendation:

Breakfast: Replace the Shake with Egg Whites. If you want, you could also sub the milk with Almond Milk and add some Cashews, Avocados, whatever good source of fat.

Mid morning: Sub shake with chicken and maybe add a veggie, like cucumber or raw bell peppers

Lunch: Potatoes ( slow digest I guess, depending on when you'll train ), tuna, good source of fats. Add veggie.

Afternoon: Id replace the seeds with maybe PB. You can keep the shake. Add maybe some oatmeal, raw ( it's super easy to eat raw with a shake ).

Dinner: Sounds fine there.

Before bed: Cottage Cheese should go there instead. Better source of protein and still slow digesting.

Also, it really depends on where your training is. I would avoid fats on the meal after your training.

But again, there is a lot to take into consideration. That being said, just some ideas i'm throwing out for you.

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I don’t see any food in there.... just processed powder crap. You need real for bro. I’m 5’9 223lb and in a similar bulk cycle right now with zero shakes in it. I wouldn’t gain any weight if I was substituting real food for powder.

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Looks like you may be relying on shake a little to much. Might want to try & add Smoke Salmon, egg whites & more chicken!! Got to have plenty bird of gainz!!!
The shakes, depending on the quality of protein could be hard on the kidneys. Also, be sure to take in at a min 1gal of water a day. I have a 45oz shaker that 9 out of the 12 times I fill it up in a day, Is only water.
@the_great_white_hope- change potato to sweet potato. It Vit A in them is great for muscle repair & is a better source of carbohydrates

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Thanks guys, I've taken your advice on board. Got me some salmon, more eggs and cottage cheese. Will be adding more in too. I have relied on powders too much because of convenience really and that's changing now. Like I said I'm willing to learn and all your advice is always appreciated.

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Where’s ur prolactin support ?? Have you ever heard of less is more and more is less ??

Anyways yea might wanna also pick up something for prolactin

And I agree with nolva alone won’t be enough there’s lots of articles on pct that can take u in the right direction

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I've read about the prolactin thing but have read as long as estrogen is controlled on cycle it won't be an issue. I use adex .5mg EOD. I also read that letro can stop it as a last resort and I have loads of that. People say about having caber on hand but no-one has it.

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have read as long as estrogen is controlled on cycle it won't be an issue.

That’s usually the case, but not always. Everyone is differnt. Are you willing to take that risk? Always best to error on the safe side.

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You're right. Money shouldn't get in the way of health, have ordered some caber to keep on hand, thanks.

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I thought I was 12% body fat for a while until I shaved my chest and stomach. It became clear I was actually about 10% body fat

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Know what you mean. I'm a hairy mofo, but manage to stay baby butt shaved at all times. But when I let it go(cold weather, lazy) and shave, I feel like I leaned out nice. Also when I get a tan after the winter. Crazy. I fucking hate hair below the neck.

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It's annoying, shave today and it's back tomorrow lol