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  • EditMy Gain and Cut Cycle, 14 Weeks

  • Hardbody68   •   Wed, Dec 7th, '16 17:30   •   13 replies, 401 views

Cycle layout

WeekTest CTest PEQTreb ATreb HHCGNovaClomidArimidexAromasin
1750mg/week600mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
2750mg/week600mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
3750mg/week600mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
4750mg/week600mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
5750mg/week600mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
6750mg/week600mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
7750mg/week600mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
8750mg/week600mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
9100mg/eod400mg/week100mg/eod150mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
10100mg/eod400mg/week100mg/eod150mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
11100mg/eod400mg/week100mg/eod150mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
12100mg/eod400mg/week100mg/eod150mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
13100mg/eod400mg/week100mg/eod150mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
14100mg/eod400mg/week100mg/eod150mg/week400iu/eod25mg/eod.5mg/eod12.5mg/eod
1550mg/day100mg/day
1650mg/day100mg/day
1750mg/day50mg/day
1825mg/day50mg/day
1925mg/day25mg/day

Description, concerns and expectations

This cycle is aggressive, yet balanced for gaining and cutting. Always have your cholesterol and Red Blood Cell Count checked every 3 weeks. This cycle does not use any hepatoxic pills, so it is a very unconventional cycle. The results are slow to build for about 8 weeks, so don't look for instant gratification here. This cycle builds very dense muscle with lots of potential endurance. It is also very aggressive with controlling possible estrogen effects. It goes through week 19 with PCT.
* Throughout this cycle, target 250-300grams of protein daily. Use whey isolate protein post workout at 100grams.
* Mid day either ordinary whey, or casein based
* At night before bed, use a long release protein like a casein with 8 hour break down
* Supplement daily with an aspirin, a full range of B-Complex, vita A, beta Carotene, Vita C, Bioflavinoids, calcium citrate, magnesium complex, zinc, chromium picolonate, Vita E, Tumeric, Cinnamon

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Comments

  • MegaTRON13's picture
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  • MegaTRON13
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Post a pic, or a few. If you are who you say you are, let's see. Anyone can make a crazy ass cycle and sound big. Prove it....

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  • TheFlash85
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Lol.

  • PPGfreak's picture
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  • PPGfreak
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I'll sit back and enjoy the show with some popcorn. But this is not something I can support because I completely disagree with the way you're running a cycle. I believe you're running your testosterone incorrectly, I believe you're running your EQ incorrectly, I believe you're running your dosages and your lenghts incorrectly, I also believe you're running your tren incorrectly and last but not least I do not like the way you are running your ai(s).

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  • Hardbody68
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I never expected this personal log cycle to be a subject of debate.

This is a "cycle log", and to member the critical member named "Impastable", I have zero respect of your opinion because you clearly do not have a clue what you are talking about.

I gather that you have experimented over the years on yourself, but you just quite never got it right. Regardless, you are certainly convinced that you are the "expert".

I've worked with an endocrinologist, a lab, and two doctors to monitor everything that was happening the first 14 weeks when I did this. Every hormone was monitored, cholesterol, RBC, and all of it. How dare you call this a trainwreck when I came out of my first cycle with 26lbs (of 32lbs total gain which is muscle mass which never went away.

So lets "back train" to your you own words..

  • EQ is an amazing substance but you must be patient. A short time-span is mentioned? 14 weeks is short? I don't want to be a gnarly meathead, are we clear???

  • Tren/Test Ratio is not an issue, re-evaluate the dosing. H Overlaps.

  • 2 Ai's? Yes! Its leading up to a Treb A/H cycle and prolactin will run amuck when Estrogen when it is out of control from the previous 750week long esters. So I control male Estrogen effectively, then prolactin has a very hard time performing its functions. Besides, I take 45mg adderall daily for 6 years, which also suppresses prolactin dramatically due to the relationship of dopamine and prolactin .

  • Its not just the outside. My Cholesterol index is 1.72, and I'm 49 years old, Bodyfat at 6.8%. Im in stellar health and look 20 years less than I should.

  • My decisions and choices for steroidal supplementation were simple, I choose not to add anything hepatoxic to the equation at the beginning or end, simply because I don't seek instant gratification like most who seek the "puffer fish" look at the beginning before the longer esters kick in.

  • To the "Impasatable" - 250-300 is just powders. not what I eat. Total consumption is around 400-500 grams a day with food.

This works for me.

  • My cycle is not a trainwreck, and neither is what works for me. You opinion is the absolute trainwreck here.

Over and out...

  • reps4jesus16's picture
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You'll gain around 20-30 pounds on any first cycle, it doesn't mean you've found the holy grail of a cycle and anyone who uses oral steroids is an impatient child looking for instant gratification. My first cycle was the PH to tbol at minimal doses (when hdrol was legal) and I gained 30 pounds also. You don't even have to have a good diet to gain that kind of weight in a first cycle. You're in no position to say "what works" yet. Not to mention it's absolutely idiotic to use trenbolone in a first cycle. I used one mild prohormone at minimal doses for 8 weeks and got the same results you did with 3 compounds one of which being the strongest injectable steroid known to man.

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I never expected this personal log cycle to be a subject of debate.

The whole point of the cycle log sections is to post up a cycle for critique by members...

I've worked with an endocrinologist, a lab, and two doctors to monitor everything that was happening the first 14 weeks when I did this. Every hormone was monitored, cholesterol, RBC, and all of it. How dare you call this a trainwreck when I came out of my first cycle with 26lbs (of 32lbs total gain which is muscle mass which never went away.

Congratulations.

EQ is an amazing substance but you must be patient. A short time-span is mentioned? 14 weeks is short? I don't want to be a gnarly meathead, are we clear???

Because EQ is a drug you need to be patient for and doesn't start kicking in several weeks into a cycle, yes IMO 14 weeks is a waste and would ideally be ran for another few weeks which involves a longer cycle.

Tren/Test Ratio is not an issue, re-evaluate the dosing. H Overlaps.

The table with dosages is all fucked on my end but I'm seeing a lower tren dosage than test. Again, I said maybe it may give you issues as I know very few people who can run test higher than tren without sides. If it works for you, great.

2 Ai's? Yes! Its leading up to a Treb A/H cycle and prolactin will run amuck when Estrogen when it is out of control from the previous 750week long esters. So I control male Estrogen effectively, then prolactin has a very hard time performing its functions. Besides, I take 45mg adderall daily for 6 years, which also suppresses prolactin dramatically due to the relationship of dopamine and prolactin .

Hence why we advise using something called caber/prami to directly control any prolactin issues. You didn't mention you've been on adderall, which was a key piece of the puzzle here.

Its not just the outside. My Cholesterol index is 1.72, and I'm 49 years old, Bodyfat at 6.8%. Im in stellar health and look 20 years less than I should.

Post up a photo then.

My decisions and choices for steroidal supplementation were simple, I choose not to add anything hepatoxic to the equation at the beginning or end, simply because I don't seek instant gratification like most who seek the "puffer fish" look at the beginning before the longer esters kick in.

Not sure what this has to do with my post?

To the "Impasatable" - 250-300 is just powders. not what I eat. Total consumption is around 400-500 grams a day with food.

You're still over reliant on powder. Half of your protein coming from powder is not the correct way to diet.

My cycle is not a trainwreck, and neither is what works for me. You opinion is the absolute trainwreck here.

I understand you're an older gentlemen, so your system works differently than someone as young as me. But with those stats and your LBM, this cycle is overkill for your stats.

This works for me.

That's fine and dandy. But don't post up a log on here and then complain about the opinions other members are going to give you about it.

Edit: I believe when I originally responded to this post your weight was at 180lbs... appreciate you updating the stats. Again, as Roid said below, posting up a photo of the progress would go a long way to gaining the credibility this log needs.

  • Dacky's picture
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Post a picture and your blood work. I'm not buying what you're selling.

  • Roid Noid's picture
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Sounds pretty awesome. The site is full of people that have these great claims of low bf% and solid muscle. Easiest way to get some respect around here is to post a picture and back up your stats....We all like to see pics of someone who has put in the work and had great results....

  • Makwa's picture
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I would love to see a pic also, especially from someone who has figured out how to successfully do the famous bulk and cut cycle.

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  • IrishMack
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I stopped holding my breath.

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  • 05cummins
  • 3 months ago

I really recommend less powder. I used to believe in all the different proteins but I have noticed by trial that taking in 85-90% of my protein through food I actually can gain size strength or simply anything easier than this more powder. I only use powder now if I know after the gym I can't make it home in time for a meal. Then I eat after I get home my goal since I am down to 250-254 ish is take in 250-275 through food atleast then max 2 scoops of protein like I said after the gym which even though it says 26 grams per scoop I always just say 20 each cause after seeing a decent amount of tests on powder you don't get anywhere near as much as they claim and end of depriving yourself of gains and true recover

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  • The Impastable
  • 3 months ago

You're 6' at 180lbs... you can gain another 20-30lbs naturally without AAS. Also no mention of BF%...

No such thing as bulk & cut in the same cycle, pick one or the other...

EQ is a waste IMHO at such a short timespan.

Your test:tren ratio may give you problems...

Using 2 AIs? What's the purpose of that. No mention of anything to control prolactin related sides.

You're aiming for 250-300g of protein, but anywhere from 1/3 to 2/5 of your entire intake is from powder directly after your workout, with another shake during the day and then before night? Your diet is lacking and is your biggest hindrance.

This is a train wreck... this isn't an unconventional cycle, it's a stupid cycle.

  • mobman702's picture
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Agreed.... I was like, WTF is this.. Mind blowing when I read some of these proposed cycles ppl run. Thats alot of gear... Good luck tho...