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+ 2 My Cycle For The Road To Recovery...

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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

what's up fella's
27 years old. competitive sport Athlete.
5'11 1/2 .
198 lb's is my walk around at weight. I compete in welterweight at 170 lb weight class.
Been in athletics my entire life. Been lifting since I was a kid. played multiple sports. college sports.

This cycle was not really intended for gains on the scale or strength, it was more about healing and, not suffering atrophy from sitting around post surgery. about 1 year ago, I underwent a surgery for my left ankle. My ATFL was torn and, I needed it repaired to move forward in my profession.

I had it done and, was placed in a cast for 6 weeks. The atrophy suffered was pretty severe considering my high level of fitness. I lost my entire left leg muscle calves, quad, hamstrings, glut, my entire left side was pretty small compared to my right side. the whole process has been hard to regain my natural
size back.

Fast forward about 9 months, here I am, I am back to about 85% of my original strength and size. still re gaining my strength and performance has been hard , it is still off by about 15% right now.
range of motion, durability, etc etc

Well, upon healing up ,I suffered a small tear in my right hip, the labral cartilage, from over compensation, due to my ankle issues and, had a slight herniation, so surgery was needed again. This time I vowed to be prepared. So, this is my cycle to recovery.

I know some may think, or, I am sure some might wonder where I went with some of this and, why, I went with Test Prop, Test PHProp , when SUSTANON , which I am also using in this cycle, is the same adding 2 other esters/compounds.

My theory was, blood levels being watched and, trying to maintain both, a very high free testosterone range along, with a very high total T RANGE.

I used the the SUST because, it really has a 2 heavy esters attached, Test deconoate and, Test Isocaproate, giving me that slower release and, also keeping bloods more stable for my shorter acting esters.
ISo has a 9 day half life, while deconaote is around 7 days.
Then daily injections of 20mg's of Test Prop for my base. (just seemed right to keep really steady levels)

340mg's is the total number of test weekly besides, the first 6 weeks when using test PHP, before starting SUSTANON, then dropped the PH after 4 weeks of SUSTANON.
Also factor in what does not get absorbed per every 100 mg's of test. I think it is 66 or 88mg that gets absorbed in total. (Please correct me if I am wrong guys), but I really am getting more like 231 total mg's of test weekly, if the gear is dosed as it should be.

Really, it was my choice to do daily injections vs twice a week. I wanted to pull blood levels weekly and, I felt it would be easier to see/track my numbers, with the shorter esters vs longer ones .

Also, keeping my numbers as steady as possible to aid in healing and, maybe help combat sides that happen with spikes and drop off's in blood levels, was something else to consider, with it being a lengthy cycle and, also, a lower dose than most people would run but, still well above a TRT range.

The daily injections of TEST P have really seemed to keep bloods stable so far.

I am using HCG 200IU 3x weekly. Mon/Wed/Fri.

Thanks to KARL and TOPTOP for the HCG
I went with 200IU 3x a week because, I wanted to maintain levels.
Maximal plasma HCG levels peak at about 6 and 16 hours. Sub Q style or IM. Only 80% of it gets metabolized so, I figured with 200IU injection x3 a week I was getting a total of 480IU per week .
HCG has a half life around 30-33 hours so, that was also the reason for doing 3 injections weekly vs 2.

The HCG is being used to preserve my sperm count while on cycle and, keep my LH in contact with my pituitary.
Hopefully , it will keep the leydig cells in my testicles from going completely offline, or keep them on standby mode prior to my PCT.
Kind of like a diesel engine in the winter time, keeping the glow plugs warm, if that makes sense to anyone here. lol.
So far, my testicles have suffered no atrophy. (Knock on wood.)

I am using caber at ..5mg 2x weekly...
Thanks again to KARL again.
I might break it down into .33mg's, 3x weekly, just to maintain blood levels even better. I am using it while on TREN only, then will stop using it.
I had prolactin levels checked before cycle, it was pretty good at 7 ng/ml.
On week 4 of TREN, I had Prolactin tested again. It was slightly lower at 5 ng/ml, so, the Caber is working it appears.
I Have not had the chance of testing it with the ladies yet.

IGF-1 DES, 20mcg 2x daily. pre and post workout or, until therapy is started I went 2x daily.
IGF-1 lr3, 20mcg 2x daily, split AM and, PM.

The pumps are legit from this. It took about 8 days before I actually noticed anything because, I was bed rest post surgery, but, now that I am up and moving, the pump is legit,
I am noticeably sleepy after injections. Also, even though I am on a pretty heafty dose of GH, my skin has this extra glow to it.

I went with IGF-1 because, it is really all about collagen and, connective tissues being repaired post surgery and, later down the road.
The lr3 has a pretty long half-life so, (20 or 30 hours If am correct?)
So, one Subq daily injection would have been fine but, I was aiming for as stable blood plasma levels as possible so, I went with 2x daily.

IGF-1 lr3 is known to be 10x more potent, than the original IGF in your own body .
So, the theory was to have as much IGF floating around in my blood stream as possible, that way, if it came in to contact with my tendons, ligaments, muscle tissues, cartalidge and, even my bones affected from the injury, it could help acceleration of healing and, also ensure the job gets done right post op.

Some studies however, showed that IGF1 injections did not or, was not as effective as our bodies own IGF-1 that gets produced locally within our own muscle compartment/tissues.

(That is why I went with TREN)
The IGF1- DES, shares a much shorter half life, I think 30 minute's before the body breaks it down .

Most studies/bro science, show it to be effectivly used for site injection even though there is not factual proof behind it.

well, I gave it a try anyway and, even though there is to many other factors in this cycle to pin point or, prove anything, I will say this.
My stitches had to be removed early, about day or 6, post surgery.
My family care provider had to remove them before I even went to my first post op appointment. Lol.

The Anavar from pharmacom gave me a real jump start for recovery.
Even at such a low dose, by week 3, I had this feeling of, I wanted to rip off my braces and, go lift shit. I felt an increase in the vascularity department as well as an overall denser look by week 3 or, 4 .

I am using 200 mg TREN 3x weekly.
At 67mg's mon/wed/fri.
I mix it with my 67mg's of SUSTANON that, I also take mon/wed/fri.

I went with TREN in this cycle for its ability to increase nutrient uptake, retain excess nitrogen, and because TREN is known for the ability to increase IGF-1 within local muscle tissue. TREN really helps with creating new red blood cells and, it's production. also aids in the help of getting oxygen saturation of muscles. (all that is needed to help proper healing).

The 3 blend was picked for the different esters.
I wanted a slightly slower releasing form of TREN to keep blood levels stable at only 3x a week injections. NO sides or any issues at all as of now.
Slight night sweat's started at week 2, maybe some small feelings of anxiety soon after after injections. Note*, could also be from me just being stuck on the couch all day.

I know the dose is really low and some may say it will do nothing for me.
I would have to disagree on that, and just say, that TREN, has an anabolic scoring off 500. I think 200mg weekly, is plenty to see some good things happen after 11 weeks of use.

I may or may not even add the winstrol in the last 6 weeks of my cycle as planned. I have it on hand but, I am not sure, I do not see why I could not run it, just didn't have to.
"The dry or achy joints may be the underlying issue though with Winny though."

For my 3 bigger shot's, I use a 25 gauge 1 inch needle on mon/wed/fri.
My other days when using just prop or PH, I use a 29 gauge 1/2 inch insulin pin..
Some say 1/2 will not get deep enough into muscles, and, I say, " it works for me".
They work perfectly and, I have had absolutely no PIP or pain during injections. Everyone has there own way, this works perfect for me.

The GW1516, was added to combat endurance issues or cardio sides that might arise from the TREN. I am still not back to sprinting or, heavy cardio so, I really did not notice any issues with doing cardio on TREN yet.

HGH. I am on a few different brands. I will be on HGH for 1 year with no breaks. Yes, it is a very high dose for someone without a specific reason, I figured, I only get one shot to heal up right so, why not do it right.

Plus, injuries and collagen takes more time to rebuild than we think.

  • 1IU daily of serostim pharma.
  • 5IU daily of somastim from KARL. split into 2 doses, am, pm.
  • 2IU daily of godtropin from MATT.

The GH has all been used in the past.

Matt from GODTROPIN. The quality and, price is right. I have used his product since he started on eroids. Bloods have always been pretty good. Great guy to deal with. Always comes threw.

KARL from SCIROXX. His somastims are legit and, he has been around for years now. I do not know why, he is not in the HGH source section on eroids because, his somas are legit every single time.

Pre IGF-1 score was not done as, I was already on growth before cycle.
My current IGF1 level is about 424ng/dl. Not sure if the IGF-1 DES or, Lr3 have impacted this score. I will continue bloods every 4 weeks for IGF levels.

Some water retention is noted from GH, fingers and, hands get puffy.
Sleepy all day long. My hands fall asleep pretty much 24/7 right now. But I am still able to function otherwise.
I am also using glutamines, L arganine, nucleotides and, hyperzine A while on GH if you guys ever heard of them.
I can sleep all day long on HGH. I feel fully rested everyday after a deep sleep. love the growth.

liver support is choline & inositol 3000 mg's, split 2x daily with milk thissle.

The GH is of top quality, all from sources on eroids.
I may lower the dose if any sides start to overwhelm or get bad, but, for now, just trying to maintain a high IGF-1 until cleared to return to activity or, 365 days.

Arimadex. Using .25mg's 3x weekly.
I may add a 4th .25mg dose, to make it a total of 1mg weekly. I had E2 levels checked prior to starting cycle.
It was 37, which is okay for me.
4 weeks into the cycle, I had them re checked, it was 19. Any lower and, I could almost feel the achy joints coming.
Due for another E2 test soon but, feel like I am between 25 and 37ng, which for me, 37 is good.

l will use Clomid along with a natural test booster for pct and, continue HGH threw PCT, along with liver support and a few other supps.

Also, going to run 25mg of TEST 100 OIL BASE, 3x weekly, as a pre workout before physical therapy/gym sessions.
"I think out of the 25 mg's administered, only around 15 mg's will actually become available or, get absorbed".

I will not be using it until, well into week 10 of the cycle. "I Don't wanna get geeked up an hurt myself".

The expectations are intense training sessions with aid in recovery. The half life is only about 2-6 hours.
I originally wanted to use the WATER BASED TEST 100 from pharmacom, but, Darius convinced me they were the same with slightly slower absorbing periods.

Hopefully, it will give me an increased bio availability of free T levels during my workouts as well.

My diet is pretty clean. Can always be better though.
My daily norm in training and, just maintaining personal health, is about 4600 to 5000 calories a day with all the cardio , practice and, lifting I am use to daily.

Seeing as I can not continue to consume that many calories without gaining serious unwanted weight. I slowly have came down to about 3500 3700 range. My protein intake has still been pretty high, about 50 grams of protein per meal, at least 5 times a day. Or aim for 250 grams total.

Fat's really depend but, maybe 110 grams on a heavy day right now. I like fat sources for energy so in training It can go up a lot.
Carb's are pretty up and down, been consuming a lot of fructose based carbs lately. lets just say, I am always hungry.
I have been Aiming at medium to low glycemic food's, to aid with any blood sugar issues that could relate from using the IGF1. I have never had any issues yet but, just wanted to stay away from refined sugars and, carbs while on IGF, just in case.

Also have a glucose monitor to check blood sugar levels, Just to incase any insulin sensitivity issues occur. So far, I have had none.
other supps I take include,
coq10, fish oil,flax seeds, collagen type 1,2&3. BCAA, beta alanine, ZMA, super b complex,taurine, vitamin c
vitamin D, d3,. pretty much everything right there. I take most of the supps above on the daily, regardless of the cycle.

Overall, My hopes are to heal up real nice. keep my atrophy limited, and get back to action as soon as possible.
So far ,I have had no sides other than small things or, just me adjusting to taking everything really.
My recovery so far has been nothing but great. I almost forget that I am even injured on this stuff.

It is crazy how fast I am already gaining back a few things .. My trainers and coaches at Medsport are really wondering how I am able to heal up and recover so fast. Lol, my little secret.

Any thoughts from any of you old school vets on here, or, any other fellow combat athletes got anything to add? Knowledge is my middle name. so, please do.
I respect the rights of all critics.

And that is my 20 week cycle minus pct information..

Big thanks to PHARMACOM, GODTROPIN, SCIROXX.

WeekTestosterone PropionateTestosterone phenylpropionateSUSTANON TREN3 HCGCabergoline (DOSTINEX)ArimadexIGF-1 lr3IGF-1 DESanavar (Oxandrolone)stanozolol (winstrol)HGHGW1516
1140mg80mg600IU .75- 1mg280mcg280mcg140mg56IU
2140mg80mg600IU.75- 1mg280mcg280mcg280mg56IU
3140mg80mg600IU.75- 1mg280mcg280mcg350mg56IU
4140mg80mg200mg600IU.75- 1mg280mcg280mcg350mg56IU
5140mg80mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg280mcg280mcg350mg56IU
6140mg80mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75-1mg400mcg400mcg350mg56IU35mg
7140mg80mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg400mcg400mcg56IU35mg
8140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg400mcg400mcg56IU35mg
9140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU35mg
10140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU35mg
11140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU35mg
12140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU35mg
13140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU60mg
14140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU60mg
15140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg140mg56IU60mg
16140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg350mg280mg35IU60mg
17140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg350mg280mg35IU60mg
18140mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg350mg280mg35IU
19140mg200mg600IU.75- 1mg350mg280mg30IU
20140mg200mg600IU.75- 1mg350mg280mg30IU
clomid after last esterpctpctpctpct600IU till pctadex till pctpctkeep using hgh threw pct 3IU daily
PRE CYCLE PIC: 
Hardwork734's picture

Yea I can't agree with you more brother. And I thought just that, "oh I will just take this at such a low dose I won't have any sides". But we all know with Winny, sides are zero until that second they start and, then your stuck trying to solve a math problem to fix it.

Yeah, as much as I want that extra polished look at the end of my rehabilitation, I might just have to use the good old fashion diet, and hardwork.

Thanks for the help brother , really appreciative.

You know while where on subject, I was reading that they think they know what causes achy joints from winstrol or atleast what causes the side affect to occur from using it . Let me know what you think.

Bodybuilders frequently misuse the term "dry" in describing their joint pain while using stanozolol either orally or via IM injection of an aqueous suspension; a reference to their perceived reason for an increase in joint pain. Rather, stanozolol as a DHT derivative can selectively compete with progesterone and other natural and synthetic progestins (nandrolone) for progestin receptors; yielding a reduction in progesterone mediated anti-inflammatory processes and presenting patients with a perception of increased joint discomfort.

Anyone ever read this or, know anything about what I pasted. Above. Any thoughts guys?

zeb0312's picture

That's a interesting read for sure...

Just a thought here......

We all know deca is used fo several things at different doses any where from help joints or lube joints they call it to putting on mass.....
Hell I have even done a cut cycle on deca as well as some others I'm sure, that being said there is alot of factors to consider bro...

Winstrol I know makes my joints hurt or ache because it dries them out, starts with my elbows. hence like I said helps with water weight... I'm sure it effects some different than others and also the doses used would make a big difference... Just my exsperience with it bro and 2 cents.....

Hardwork734's picture

Very true. I actually have a fried who ran Decca for the specific reason you just said.

He was using winstrol and wanted to combat the sides by using Decca. Very low dose of course, so low, others laughed at him , but regardless, he never had sides on the Winny, and stayed relatively dry for being on such a wet compound like Decca.

Course like you said, it is the dose and the individual more than anything else.

zeb0312's picture

Correct bro. That goes with any compound.
Hell with anything in life to....

That's why where all different in alot of ways but similar in more....

You need to just take it easy and slow brother.....

Rome wasn't built in a day.....

Things we go through in life is what makes us who we are as individuals bro...

Same things effect people in different ways.....

Be safe...

Hardwork734's picture

Hey brother, ain't that the truth, "go ahead an get your preach on," lol.
Spread that good ol wisdom to the younger nation.. Lord knows, some of us need it with the garbage going around the net these days.

I am all eyes and ears my friend .

Yeah, I like to get my facts from the "good ol text book fashion style and first hand experience. Some things just can't be learned from a book though, you know.

You have to go threw the experience yourself or, have the pleasure to know guys like you and, others in the community who have been there already.

Thanks brother.

Ps.
Your very right in saying ROME wasn't build in one day and, "It also wasn't built ALONE".
(TEAMWORK)

zeb0312's picture

Nice attitude bro.....

Keep it up....

Hardwork734's picture

Amen to that, and will do brother.

You just try to not go to hard on these younger uninformed. Keep that blood pressure down. Lol, I seen that other cycle a guy posted, and you went off. With good reason of course. I thought it was almost fake honetsly, but wow, the shit some people do because they don't know any better.

If we only had a forum for failed cycles or, what not to do. Maybe some guys on here wouldn't be so bad.

zeb0312's picture

Dam one pic you try to look like Dr. Manhattan...lol....

Hardwork734's picture

Really bro, don't tell them my secret .
"Know one can know I still exist".

No , that's pretty cool actually Bro tbat, you pointed that out, I really was not even going for that though,

Dr. Jonathan Osterman aka dr Manhattan. But you just gave me the best Halloween costume idea. Thanks brother.

zeb0312's picture

lol..... Cool.

MedDx's picture

Thumbs up!! Nice forum title and post! Very comprehensive and detailed with rationale. Hope you're healing well, bro... Smile

Hardwork734's picture

Thanks brother. yeah, I put a lot of time into this cycle. I really wanted to get the perfect cycle for aiding a recovery,.
There are a few things I could have thrown in, or left out, but, the bottom line was, I wanted a really good cycle that would get the job done, and just give my body the extra raw materials or tools needed to heal up nice post op.
Also was the factor that, I really did not want to get much hypertrophy from the compounds but, more of the medical properties from them.
Of course, some hypertrophy was expected and, already has happened in the first couple weeks alone. but that is just what happens when you combine such cocktails with test. and, ( a beast) LOL

I was really hoping what I was trying to explain made sense and, did not seem like a bunch of jibber jabber, lol. much appreciated sir, thank you for the good vibes

MedDx's picture

also factor in what does not get absorbed per every 100 mg of test.
I think it is 66 or 88mg gets absorbed in total. (Please correct me if I am wrong guys)

I think you're getting 261mg.

Interesting the numbers you posted fall right in the middle of the number I use, which is .77....

Hardwork734's picture

yeah, for some reason my brain just could not seem to remember which one it was, I thought I was at least close to those numbers. That sounds like it could be right, thanks for correcting me.

MedDx's picture

Oh you bet...the loss factor in administration of AAS doesn't get talked about a lot, which I believe is important when planning a cycle and adjusting dosages.

Hardwork734's picture

Very true. it was just would have made things much more difficult for tracking bloods for the duration of my cycle without factoring in those things.

It's hard to to get numbers where you want them sometimes, and in my case, I need just enough, vs to much. Well maybe a little extra.

What is your opinion about 19 NORs? Like tren or Decca. How much of it do you think doesn't get absorbed? Same ratio?

MedDx's picture

What is your opinion about 19 NORs? Like tren or Decca. How much of it do you think doesn't get absorbed? Same ratio?

Close to the same, imo....

Hardwork734's picture

Really, yeah Decca is Great for joints and also building mass like a brick house, but the suppressing effects of it, it's ability to kill the body's ability to recover from shutdown , scary shit.

But, I guess it is know worse than it's close friend TREN, when you compare the 2.

I almost ran it for its ability to aid in healing in small tissue repair and promote collagen synthesis production, but, when I really got deep into it, Decca past a certain dose, actually causes the integrity of the collagen to weakin .. ever heard that. Yeah the 19 NOR's have some really cool properties, some that I think are still unknown, even in a clinical point of interest.

MedDx's picture

but, when I really got deep into it, Decca past a certain dose, actually causes the integrity of the collagen to weakin .. ever heard that. 

No, but anything is possible. I've heard eq causes joints to become brittle...and the inner lining of the joints have a tendency to chip... :/

Makwa's picture

Holy shit Batman! What kind of cycles do you run when healthy..

Hardwork734's picture

Your funny brother, Lol,

Honestly though, I have picked or hand wrote quiet a few cycles for more than a few but, up until I got real serious in competition, I was just the guy who sat around after practice and read articles or pages about different compounds, cycles etc etc.. just have a knack for it I guess.

I wrote cycles for some buddies, clients, but, all in all, my body is a newbie when it comes to actually taking them myself. I guess I was just scared of the DARK, like batman.

I started using HGH for injury prevention and,recovery a while back but, I never considered using Gear until, I actually had to or, felt my career would slip threw my fingers from injuries.

That, and anyone at the level of athleticism I am competing against, is on something, my injuries only showed I was one of the guys not on the T..

As far as Gear goes, Batman favors GH or, more of a peptide kind of guy personally. However, now that I have felt the power of the T, the quest for the ultimate super serum recipe continues to brew.

MedDx's picture

Lol...you gotta hand it to them type-A personality bros, right... Smile

Hardwork734's picture

lol