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+ 2 My Cycle For The Road To Recovery...

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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

what's up fella's
27 years old. competitive sport Athlete.
5'11 1/2 .
198 lb's is my walk around at weight. I compete in welterweight at 170 lb weight class.
Been in athletics my entire life. Been lifting since I was a kid. played multiple sports. college sports.

This cycle was not really intended for gains on the scale or strength, it was more about healing and, not suffering atrophy from sitting around post surgery. about 1 year ago, I underwent a surgery for my left ankle. My ATFL was torn and, I needed it repaired to move forward in my profession.

I had it done and, was placed in a cast for 6 weeks. The atrophy suffered was pretty severe considering my high level of fitness. I lost my entire left leg muscle calves, quad, hamstrings, glut, my entire left side was pretty small compared to my right side. the whole process has been hard to regain my natural
size back.

Fast forward about 9 months, here I am, I am back to about 85% of my original strength and size. still re gaining my strength and performance has been hard , it is still off by about 15% right now.
range of motion, durability, etc etc

Well, upon healing up ,I suffered a small tear in my right hip, the labral cartilage, from over compensation, due to my ankle issues and, had a slight herniation, so surgery was needed again. This time I vowed to be prepared. So, this is my cycle to recovery.

I know some may think, or, I am sure some might wonder where I went with some of this and, why, I went with Test Prop, Test PHProp , when SUSTANON , which I am also using in this cycle, is the same adding 2 other esters/compounds.

My theory was, blood levels being watched and, trying to maintain both, a very high free testosterone range along, with a very high total T RANGE.

I used the the SUST because, it really has a 2 heavy esters attached, Test deconoate and, Test Isocaproate, giving me that slower release and, also keeping bloods more stable for my shorter acting esters.
ISo has a 9 day half life, while deconaote is around 7 days.
Then daily injections of 20mg's of Test Prop for my base. (just seemed right to keep really steady levels)

340mg's is the total number of test weekly besides, the first 6 weeks when using test PHP, before starting SUSTANON, then dropped the PH after 4 weeks of SUSTANON.
Also factor in what does not get absorbed per every 100 mg's of test. I think it is 66 or 88mg that gets absorbed in total. (Please correct me if I am wrong guys), but I really am getting more like 231 total mg's of test weekly, if the gear is dosed as it should be.

Really, it was my choice to do daily injections vs twice a week. I wanted to pull blood levels weekly and, I felt it would be easier to see/track my numbers, with the shorter esters vs longer ones .

Also, keeping my numbers as steady as possible to aid in healing and, maybe help combat sides that happen with spikes and drop off's in blood levels, was something else to consider, with it being a lengthy cycle and, also, a lower dose than most people would run but, still well above a TRT range.

The daily injections of TEST P have really seemed to keep bloods stable so far.

I am using HCG 200IU 3x weekly. Mon/Wed/Fri.

Thanks to KARL and TOPTOP for the HCG
I went with 200IU 3x a week because, I wanted to maintain levels.
Maximal plasma HCG levels peak at about 6 and 16 hours. Sub Q style or IM. Only 80% of it gets metabolized so, I figured with 200IU injection x3 a week I was getting a total of 480IU per week .
HCG has a half life around 30-33 hours so, that was also the reason for doing 3 injections weekly vs 2.

The HCG is being used to preserve my sperm count while on cycle and, keep my LH in contact with my pituitary.
Hopefully , it will keep the leydig cells in my testicles from going completely offline, or keep them on standby mode prior to my PCT.
Kind of like a diesel engine in the winter time, keeping the glow plugs warm, if that makes sense to anyone here. lol.
So far, my testicles have suffered no atrophy. (Knock on wood.)

I am using caber at ..5mg 2x weekly...
Thanks again to KARL again.
I might break it down into .33mg's, 3x weekly, just to maintain blood levels even better. I am using it while on TREN only, then will stop using it.
I had prolactin levels checked before cycle, it was pretty good at 7 ng/ml.
On week 4 of TREN, I had Prolactin tested again. It was slightly lower at 5 ng/ml, so, the Caber is working it appears.
I Have not had the chance of testing it with the ladies yet.

IGF-1 DES, 20mcg 2x daily. pre and post workout or, until therapy is started I went 2x daily.
IGF-1 lr3, 20mcg 2x daily, split AM and, PM.

The pumps are legit from this. It took about 8 days before I actually noticed anything because, I was bed rest post surgery, but, now that I am up and moving, the pump is legit,
I am noticeably sleepy after injections. Also, even though I am on a pretty heafty dose of GH, my skin has this extra glow to it.

I went with IGF-1 because, it is really all about collagen and, connective tissues being repaired post surgery and, later down the road.
The lr3 has a pretty long half-life so, (20 or 30 hours If am correct?)
So, one Subq daily injection would have been fine but, I was aiming for as stable blood plasma levels as possible so, I went with 2x daily.

IGF-1 lr3 is known to be 10x more potent, than the original IGF in your own body .
So, the theory was to have as much IGF floating around in my blood stream as possible, that way, if it came in to contact with my tendons, ligaments, muscle tissues, cartalidge and, even my bones affected from the injury, it could help acceleration of healing and, also ensure the job gets done right post op.

Some studies however, showed that IGF1 injections did not or, was not as effective as our bodies own IGF-1 that gets produced locally within our own muscle compartment/tissues.

(That is why I went with TREN)
The IGF1- DES, shares a much shorter half life, I think 30 minute's before the body breaks it down .

Most studies/bro science, show it to be effectivly used for site injection even though there is not factual proof behind it.

well, I gave it a try anyway and, even though there is to many other factors in this cycle to pin point or, prove anything, I will say this.
My stitches had to be removed early, about day or 6, post surgery.
My family care provider had to remove them before I even went to my first post op appointment. Lol.

The Anavar from pharmacom gave me a real jump start for recovery.
Even at such a low dose, by week 3, I had this feeling of, I wanted to rip off my braces and, go lift shit. I felt an increase in the vascularity department as well as an overall denser look by week 3 or, 4 .

I am using 200 mg TREN 3x weekly.
At 67mg's mon/wed/fri.
I mix it with my 67mg's of SUSTANON that, I also take mon/wed/fri.

I went with TREN in this cycle for its ability to increase nutrient uptake, retain excess nitrogen, and because TREN is known for the ability to increase IGF-1 within local muscle tissue. TREN really helps with creating new red blood cells and, it's production. also aids in the help of getting oxygen saturation of muscles. (all that is needed to help proper healing).

The 3 blend was picked for the different esters.
I wanted a slightly slower releasing form of TREN to keep blood levels stable at only 3x a week injections. NO sides or any issues at all as of now.
Slight night sweat's started at week 2, maybe some small feelings of anxiety soon after after injections. Note*, could also be from me just being stuck on the couch all day.

I know the dose is really low and some may say it will do nothing for me.
I would have to disagree on that, and just say, that TREN, has an anabolic scoring off 500. I think 200mg weekly, is plenty to see some good things happen after 11 weeks of use.

I may or may not even add the winstrol in the last 6 weeks of my cycle as planned. I have it on hand but, I am not sure, I do not see why I could not run it, just didn't have to.
"The dry or achy joints may be the underlying issue though with Winny though."

For my 3 bigger shot's, I use a 25 gauge 1 inch needle on mon/wed/fri.
My other days when using just prop or PH, I use a 29 gauge 1/2 inch insulin pin..
Some say 1/2 will not get deep enough into muscles, and, I say, " it works for me".
They work perfectly and, I have had absolutely no PIP or pain during injections. Everyone has there own way, this works perfect for me.

The GW1516, was added to combat endurance issues or cardio sides that might arise from the TREN. I am still not back to sprinting or, heavy cardio so, I really did not notice any issues with doing cardio on TREN yet.

HGH. I am on a few different brands. I will be on HGH for 1 year with no breaks. Yes, it is a very high dose for someone without a specific reason, I figured, I only get one shot to heal up right so, why not do it right.

Plus, injuries and collagen takes more time to rebuild than we think.

  • 1IU daily of serostim pharma.
  • 5IU daily of somastim from KARL. split into 2 doses, am, pm.
  • 2IU daily of godtropin from MATT.

The GH has all been used in the past.

Matt from GODTROPIN. The quality and, price is right. I have used his product since he started on eroids. Bloods have always been pretty good. Great guy to deal with. Always comes threw.

KARL from SCIROXX. His somastims are legit and, he has been around for years now. I do not know why, he is not in the HGH source section on eroids because, his somas are legit every single time.

Pre IGF-1 score was not done as, I was already on growth before cycle.
My current IGF1 level is about 424ng/dl. Not sure if the IGF-1 DES or, Lr3 have impacted this score. I will continue bloods every 4 weeks for IGF levels.

Some water retention is noted from GH, fingers and, hands get puffy.
Sleepy all day long. My hands fall asleep pretty much 24/7 right now. But I am still able to function otherwise.
I am also using glutamines, L arganine, nucleotides and, hyperzine A while on GH if you guys ever heard of them.
I can sleep all day long on HGH. I feel fully rested everyday after a deep sleep. love the growth.

liver support is choline & inositol 3000 mg's, split 2x daily with milk thissle.

The GH is of top quality, all from sources on eroids.
I may lower the dose if any sides start to overwhelm or get bad, but, for now, just trying to maintain a high IGF-1 until cleared to return to activity or, 365 days.

Arimadex. Using .25mg's 3x weekly.
I may add a 4th .25mg dose, to make it a total of 1mg weekly. I had E2 levels checked prior to starting cycle.
It was 37, which is okay for me.
4 weeks into the cycle, I had them re checked, it was 19. Any lower and, I could almost feel the achy joints coming.
Due for another E2 test soon but, feel like I am between 25 and 37ng, which for me, 37 is good.

l will use Clomid along with a natural test booster for pct and, continue HGH threw PCT, along with liver support and a few other supps.

Also, going to run 25mg of TEST 100 OIL BASE, 3x weekly, as a pre workout before physical therapy/gym sessions.
"I think out of the 25 mg's administered, only around 15 mg's will actually become available or, get absorbed".

I will not be using it until, well into week 10 of the cycle. "I Don't wanna get geeked up an hurt myself".

The expectations are intense training sessions with aid in recovery. The half life is only about 2-6 hours.
I originally wanted to use the WATER BASED TEST 100 from pharmacom, but, Darius convinced me they were the same with slightly slower absorbing periods.

Hopefully, it will give me an increased bio availability of free T levels during my workouts as well.

My diet is pretty clean. Can always be better though.
My daily norm in training and, just maintaining personal health, is about 4600 to 5000 calories a day with all the cardio , practice and, lifting I am use to daily.

Seeing as I can not continue to consume that many calories without gaining serious unwanted weight. I slowly have came down to about 3500 3700 range. My protein intake has still been pretty high, about 50 grams of protein per meal, at least 5 times a day. Or aim for 250 grams total.

Fat's really depend but, maybe 110 grams on a heavy day right now. I like fat sources for energy so in training It can go up a lot.
Carb's are pretty up and down, been consuming a lot of fructose based carbs lately. lets just say, I am always hungry.
I have been Aiming at medium to low glycemic food's, to aid with any blood sugar issues that could relate from using the IGF1. I have never had any issues yet but, just wanted to stay away from refined sugars and, carbs while on IGF, just in case.

Also have a glucose monitor to check blood sugar levels, Just to incase any insulin sensitivity issues occur. So far, I have had none.
other supps I take include,
coq10, fish oil,flax seeds, collagen type 1,2&3. BCAA, beta alanine, ZMA, super b complex,taurine, vitamin c
vitamin D, d3,. pretty much everything right there. I take most of the supps above on the daily, regardless of the cycle.

Overall, My hopes are to heal up real nice. keep my atrophy limited, and get back to action as soon as possible.
So far ,I have had no sides other than small things or, just me adjusting to taking everything really.
My recovery so far has been nothing but great. I almost forget that I am even injured on this stuff.

It is crazy how fast I am already gaining back a few things .. My trainers and coaches at Medsport are really wondering how I am able to heal up and recover so fast. Lol, my little secret.

Any thoughts from any of you old school vets on here, or, any other fellow combat athletes got anything to add? Knowledge is my middle name. so, please do.
I respect the rights of all critics.

And that is my 20 week cycle minus pct information..

Big thanks to PHARMACOM, GODTROPIN, SCIROXX.

WeekTestosterone PropionateTestosterone phenylpropionateSUSTANON TREN3 HCGCabergoline (DOSTINEX)ArimadexIGF-1 lr3IGF-1 DESanavar (Oxandrolone)stanozolol (winstrol)HGHGW1516
1140mg80mg600IU .75- 1mg280mcg280mcg140mg56IU
2140mg80mg600IU.75- 1mg280mcg280mcg280mg56IU
3140mg80mg600IU.75- 1mg280mcg280mcg350mg56IU
4140mg80mg200mg600IU.75- 1mg280mcg280mcg350mg56IU
5140mg80mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg280mcg280mcg350mg56IU
6140mg80mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75-1mg400mcg400mcg350mg56IU35mg
7140mg80mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg400mcg400mcg56IU35mg
8140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg400mcg400mcg56IU35mg
9140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU35mg
10140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU35mg
11140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU35mg
12140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU35mg
13140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU60mg
14140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg56IU60mg
15140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg140mg56IU60mg
16140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg350mg280mg35IU60mg
17140mg200mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg350mg280mg35IU60mg
18140mg200mg600IU1mg.75- 1mg350mg280mg35IU
19140mg200mg600IU.75- 1mg350mg280mg30IU
20140mg200mg600IU.75- 1mg350mg280mg30IU
clomid after last esterpctpctpctpct600IU till pctadex till pctpctkeep using hgh threw pct 3IU daily
PRE CYCLE PIC: 
Hardwork734's picture

I was taking about my cholesterol levels bro g impacted or my liver value or enzymes being affected from hormone or AAS use. And yes they should return to 100% normal if tbey were affected at all. If you don't know that, why are you even making comments.
so what are you even talking about.. read it right before you comment bro. Not trying to talk shit. But clearly your not reading it right

Hardwork734's picture

And to be honest. Actually your body is the same afterwards actually and, if you discontinue use of AAS , eventually your body will go back to exactly where it was before.

That's why they use them for medical reasons. Or why even prescribed them if they permanently alter ones DNA or hormones endocrine system. ????

And as long as one doesn't damage himself or endocrine system, yes your body can be natural again and work on its own.
Of course if your talking about mass then yes things will be different. But plenty of guys who used AAS for years look exactly like they did before using AAS. Look at older retired pro BB.

Proof is in the pudding .

Hardwork734's picture

What are you even talking about dude. Like bro read it right. Don't jump down my throat if you don't know what your even talking about. No one said anything about being natty again after PED use. And yes. My lipid profile or anything HDL or liver enzyme changes. Should go back to normal after use. That's exactly what it means. So what are you even talking about. Explain , because I think your reading it wrong.

kibby's picture

Please explain why?

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Hardwork734's picture

Yes please explain

freedom1981's picture

It's just too much work for the liver.
Food , ptotien skahers, drinks , more than 8 compounds , elc , we getting older your body doesn't work as before . Too much load for the liver stomach and kidney .
Whatever the people decide it's there health and they can decide . You always read about wrong use of steroids and everything bad happened in this sport they throw it for the wrong use of steroids .
The body has his right to rest too the body will handle it first time second time third time and we go farther every times by adding more stuff to our cycles . And we give ourselves excuses that we use liver support . How much he will support the liver .
My Personal opinion it's much .
And everyone free in his body .

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kibby's picture

I get your point but in this case it's not the point at all.

Read the whole thing again and I appreciate English is not your first language but if you pay attention to what the guy is saying you will see that this is a very well planned (mild) cycle.

The compounds and esters,timing used are perfect for the blood levels to remain stable.

And yes the body does need rest which is why he called it a cycle and laid out a pct

Cheers,kibby

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Hardwork734's picture

I am confused again. To much work for the liver. Kindney? What medical proof can you show me of this. We eat aspirin, drink alcohol, eat sugars, smoke cigarettes, and all kinds of things on the daily that affect our liver's. And I do none of the things mentioned above. (Well I do eat sugar)

You saying it is to much work to do my cycle or,keep up with it is, just you saying it to say it or, you not having much bknowledge of what your talking about .

And protein shakes and drinks, are you saying they are bad or, that it's just to much to do in a cycle.?

Sounds like lazy response or, priority issue more than it being to much for someone.
If someone is responsible with there health and, eats healthy and, takes care of themselves why, is it an issue? That's what blood levels and labs are for.

And our bodies don't just stop working as good just because we age. Who told you this. Yes, maybe when your are actually of older age but, that's a pointless statemen. I am not old, I am almost 28 years old..

My hormones are perfectly fine to maintain good health.
Maybe I am reading your message wrong brother but, I don't get what you mean by the wrong use of steroids.. how am I using them wrong? Spit some knowledge on me.

if anything, I am using steroids for what they were mostly created for or, more of a useful purpose.

I just looked at your own cycle log's and, you have well over 6 compounds in them. And your on a pretty stupid amount of gear. Do you even compete? Maybe notb4 different blends of TEST but, clealy on pretty decent amount of Things.

You think the other things your running for your cycle support or PCT aren't bad or, because there not an AAS .?
you think it is not a compound or Harsh on your body..? And look at your dosing protocol.. your on a body builders dosage and not even that BIG. Why?, For what do you take that much gear for?
Talking about the potential for abuse. Your taking 750mg of one compound alone. Your body makes maybe 50 or 75mg a week.. and your on 10x that amount and,plenty of other things. (Practice what you preach brother).

That's considerable more abusive than what I am doing, considering the Short and, long term . The damage you could do to your endocrine system in one cycle alone could have permanent effects.
Your on hcg, caber. Nova, providing, dbol, and even more and, I am being abusive?

Your on a pointless cycle that your body can't even maintain off cycle for more than a few months unless you continue to blast again and again.
My total dose is less than a 3rd of what your on. 231 mg weekly, while you're on more than 750 of test.
That's like over 500 mg of actual test a week after you consider what does not get absorbed. I don't know, I don't want to start a an issue bro but, I don't get your rationale on this whole thing.

Like I said. If you would have actually brought some knowledge, I would have had nothing but, good vibes an replies but, what you said, is nothing more than jibberish bro talk. None of it was based upon actual science or, even past experience from others who use gear,
For that, I dont think you should voice an opinion when your clearly don't have a real one to give. You clearly don't know much about steroids or how to use them properly. Again , no disrespect to you but, I feel very confident about my cycle and, the compounds I went with. Show me otherwise and, I will be all eyes on you brother. Until then.

Enjoy your day bro

MedDx's picture

Perfect response, bro!! Looks like Freedom put his foot in his mouth....lol!!

Hardwork734's picture

Thanks brother. Am I wrong for saying what I said?

I wasn't really trying to diss the guy. His English is pretty bad so, l can't really tell what he is saying but, it just sounded kind of negative or, he made it seem like I am being abusive.

Everyone has there own right to say what they want but, when it is actually called for or, when you aren't being hypocritical by what your saying to others.

The guys cycle log shows he clearly is on a lot of gear, and multiple compounds. And nothing he said was backed by anything in science or, even bro science from the community..

I mean, am I wrong for saying these things or, should we not hold each other accountable for the things we say on here when someone is wrong .. We are a community.
If anywhere, it should be here because, if not, the wrong information can be viewed by others and, lead to to people using the wrong information because, no one bothered to call out the BS.

Idk I don't want to beef with anyone, but I gotta stand by what I said above.

freedom1981's picture

I have big foot doesn't fit . I didn't read it so far . I'll read it and learn from if something has to be learned . I think the idea to share our experiences not embarrass each other , right bro ?

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Hardwork734's picture

Yes. Well, didn't mean no disrespect to you bro, I am just passionate about what I believe in and, very calculated on what I do and, you just seemed like you were saying pointless comments that didn't really do much but, knock my cycle.
If you didn't read the cycle, please do, I really did spend a very very long time making this cycle, and really believe it is very on point with what my expectations where going to be and, with proper responsibility, the cycle can be ran safely .

freedom1981's picture

I didn't feel it like this bro , I'm just learning no more
And you gave enough information. About my English I'm studying Dutch now and started to mix 2 languages . But anyway thanks for the information .

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kibby's picture

He's clearly just looked at all the compounds and not bothered to read the entire thread

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ilientzo's picture

Nice

kibby's picture

I would leave the Winstrol out buddy as I'm sure you already know it can weaken tendons/ligaments you could end up injured again mate

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Hardwork734's picture

Yea bro, I really wanted to run it the last couple weeks to maybe dry out or, take help take off a few extra lbs of BF I might put on,

but you are very right in saying the risk just might not be worth the reward this time around. I really don't want to feel like an old man come the end of my cycle or, suffer tendon/ligament injuries.

Thanks for helping my decision process buddy, It is hard sometimes to cover every single end, sometimes help is just needed to make that final decision.

kibby's picture

No problem buddy hope all goes well for you

Salads and low carbs LMFAO!

I sent you an fr mate

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Hardwork734's picture

Only time will tell, but this horse is putting in the work. We shall see.

Got your request an accepted it , thanks buddy

zeb0312's picture

Don't forget them creepy ole joints to....

I like winstrol at certain times it dries me bout real well, but I have to watch it first thing my joints start to hurt I back off.....

Good call bro..... I agree for him at this time main concern should be get back healthy and recoup, after that then slowly work back up....because we all know shit happens we just have to deal with it and move slowly back to where we where before

kibby's picture

Yeh it leaves me feeling like a 90 year old.
If I was him I would want to be injury free for a good year before running winny. Nothing worse than being injured to the pioneer were you can't train anymore

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zeb0312's picture

Correct.... See my comment below and he has good sense seems and don't take advice the wrong way..

He must actually be the age he says he is........

kibby's picture

Lol!
Yes bro he's got his head screwed on that's for sure

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zeb0312's picture

Last couple days all these others posting crazy ass cycle shit...... A out drove me crazy....

Tried to talk sense in that one KID. I gave up....

kibby's picture

It's very rare I will open my mouth mate as 9 times out of 10 you get nothing but grief for trying to help.

It's a shame really because they aren't all stupid or ignorant just looking for a bit of help as we all did/do

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zeb0312's picture

Exactly, but I have a kid that's 23 and this cat stats said 21 I think he might have been younger....

That is want eats me up I k ow it's the internet and shit but still that's like my son telling me this....

Idk gets to me some times bro is all.

kibby's picture

Hardwork just took the words out of my mouth.....

I can't add anything more bro ;)

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Hardwork734's picture

It is because your a father, and like all good father's, you care and, want to show/guide your son on the right path vs letting them make unnecessary mistakes.. That's a solid human being right there .

Nothing wrong with being that way. If your a good father and, a decent human being, you clearly deserve the right to do so when it comes to those kinds of things or, wisdom.

Problems is getting some of these younger punks to listen. You can't bend them all over your knee or you would have carpal tunnel syndrome in your hands.

That's why I love my 16 ounce gloves. If there's ever an issue, take it to the Matt's, few punches later, problem solved.

Unfortunately, some must fall flat on there face before they look in the mirror to see the damage.. such a shame, but a real thing for to many.

Keep putting them in check daddy O, even if you only reach one if them. Job accomplished.

zeb0312's picture

Yea it's hard sonetimes man I tell you....

Thanks brother for the words....

Hardwork734's picture

No problem brother, just telling it as real as I can.

"Positive vibes combined with the right words = Good things".