long cycle, "recomp" "bulk then cut" Debate
I'm not running this cycle. If I do or anyone else gets the idea to do so, keep in mind this would be a cycle more toward the advanced end, and I'm on TRT so I don't give a shit about my own HPTA. I'm more so posting this up for the debate aspect, as I find it pretty interesting.
This is just a thought that's been going on in my head. There's been the ongoing debate that there is/isn't a such thing as a "recomp cycle" or that you can/can't bulk and cut in one cycle. My thought here is that could be long enough to put on some water, put on some mass/muscle/fat and have enough time to burn fat and lose a good amount of water while retaining a good amount of muscle.
Starting with test base with sustanon, adding nandrolone in the deca and phenylprop esters to almost 'match' the esters of the sust. The test:nandrolone ratio is more than 2:1, especially if on trt maybe closer to 3:1. As eq must be ran for a long cycle and adding the hunger effect, I feel it's a good add for the bulk. Dropping the deca, npp, and sust and switching to prop for a few weeks will ween out that one 19-nor, then drop the test prop and bring in the cut blend of test prop, mast prop and tren ace in conjunction with the eq could tighten up the physique well.
While running the sust, nandrolone, eq together of course a bulking diet should be in effect. Perhaps a dirty diet the first 8-10 weeks, then clean it up for a weeks, then over a few weeks into the cut blend change it up to a clean cutting diet.
I don't have the money, time or honestly, the dedication, to get into anything like this. I know it'll be asked so I will say I have experience with everything on here except the tren. I've been on eroids for almost 5 years and on roids for almost just as long. Currently on sust, deca, npp ( just started ). and proviron, of course. Again, I have no plans on running this, just enjoy the debate. Of course ai's and anti prolactin should be on hand.
Weekly Breakdown;
Equipoise; 750mg
test decanoate; 300mg
test isocaproate; 180mg
test pp; 180
test prop; 90
nandrolone decanoate; 150mg
nandrolone phenylprop; 300mg
(long ester test 480mg: long ester nandrolone 150mg) (3.2:1)
(short ester test 270mg: short ester nan 300mg) (.9:1)
(final ratio 2.05:1)
Then 50mg test prop/ day;
Then 25 mg test prop/ day
25 mg mast prop
25 mg tren ace
Or perhaps 1mL of the cutblend EOD. Not sure which would be better/ more effective / eod is obviously more simple. Or is this dose too low all together? I've seen proposed cycles at 1mL per day instead. Is 8 weeks too long? Maybe 6 is just as effective?
Week | Sustanon 250 | DecaDura300 | NPP 100 | Test Prop100 | CutBlend505050 | Equipoise 250 |
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1 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
2 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
3 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
4 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
5 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
6 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
7 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
8 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
9 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
10 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
11 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
12 | 1mL 3xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | |||
13 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
14 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
15 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
16 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
17 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
18 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
19 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
20 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
21 | .5mL ED | |||||
22 | .5mL ED | |||||
23 | .5mL ED |
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Well this went nowherehahaa .... guess I rewrite it up as what I actually do plan as the next cycle.
Look it at another way. At least it wasn't another ridiculous cycle posted by a stick thin kid wanting to run a boat load of gear first cycle......
Blaming their issues on curable/manageable medical conditions...
Without wanting sympathy, can you imagine how irritating I find that after having chemotherapy?
"I have to take gear because I got I'll blah blah"
Excuses. I'd have more respect for someone if they just said "I can't be bothered, I'm lazy"
Not meaning to brown nose, but while he was going on about his issues I merely thought of the human Swiss cheese we all call Catalyst. If ANYONE has an excuse to be lazy, I'd be hard pressed to find someone more fitting than you with all the shit you've gone through.
But even more strange to me was, those issues aren't unique to him... Plenty of members here have the same issues and not one of them leans on them.
Everyone deals with shit, life is filled with the stuff. It's about how you scrape yourself up of the floor that counts. Life's far too short for self pity.
Either side of this bulk or cut is not long enough by the end you will just be where you started...just a waist of time
12 weeks bulk (kinda longer since the deca will be active for a few more)
8 weeks cut
I thought those were pretty standard. I understand the time in between not being long enough side of the argument. Thank you for your input.
Jimmie,
The bottom line is simply this.
If what you are proposing actually worked, it would be standard operating procedure for bodybuilders worldwide. But, it's not. Because it just doesn't work.
Personally why would I or anybody else want to bulk up then wait and then have to diet down and cut up if I could get it all done on one longer cycle?
That actually sums it up bro. There really is no reason for any debate at all. If it worked we would all be doing it and long ago.
But why doesn't it work? What are the reasons? I dunno bro and I really don't care. Getting into the chemistry and physiology of something that doesn't yield results is not very interesting to me.
Good response, thank you. There is at least one thread debating this that is pages and pages long. The majority of responses are similar to yours. The cycle posted is somewhat just an idea of... if it could, then how would it... I guess the main critique is that there isn't enough time between the two sections. ( I'm ignoring the less than helpful remarks).
I mean that sounds nice. Simplistic right? That prolly is a factor. Do I think there is more going on than just that? Yes. Bodybuilders have been trying and failing to make something like this work since the sport started and steroids were introduced.
I've seen looooonnnnggger cycles with this in mind and they don't work either. I don't know why exactly.
Jimmie,
Explain to me how you figure your body only needs two weeks to adjust to its new maintenance weight? Irrespective of the mess that this cycle is, I just want to understand how you think after two weeks (my interpretation of this log) your body isn't going to be dropping the new mass like Ed dropping timber in a disabled stall after Chipotle.
Richard.SimmonsWhat a waist of $$. That's all I'm saying.
Why even post it then ?? I'm out ! Smh.... Very disappointed
I think people are missing the point. I'm not running this. If I ever run anything close to this long or this many compounds, it would be years away. I just like the debate of can a bulk and cut be ran in one cycle. And if can be done, how long would it have to be/ what would be a part of it? I edited the post a bit to try to reduce any butthurt. There's a long thread on the debate, I just wanted to visualize what it could look like. This has nothing to do with me, I just added my exp bc I know someone will ask. I'm not a bb or an athlete of any kind, I just find all of this fascinating.
"I'm not running this cycle..at least not any time soon. If I do or anyone else gets the idea to do so, keep in mind this would be a cycle more toward the advanced end"
No but you want feedback on it for the future.....
This isnt advanced it's just dumb for numerous reasons....
Gearhead is going to love this one.....
You guys that post this stuff up that haven't even worked out how to maintain a 200lb physique are getting ahead of yourselves.
Maybe Jimmie is in fact Bostin Lyod and he needs our help ;-p
I hope you didn't send him this link... The man is gonna pop a vessel for Christ's sake.
I also blame the smear campaign against bacon cheeseburgers for the inability to maintain 200lbs.
I regularly use bacon cheeseburgers to maintain 233lbs whats the deal ? lol
Yes well you didn't fall for the cult of Kale's smear campaign
I didn't drink the coolaide ;-)
Cmon GRRL, you sure you aren't tempted by a vegan kale wheatgrass shot to go with your grilled lettuce wrapped tofu burger with vegan cheese?
you hurt my eyes ;-(
I find vegetarianism and veganism offensive. Food that doesn't have meat or fish is merely a side dish.
AnonDamn straight!!
I'm sorry, what's that?
Precisely.
My apologies for using the "v" words. Very rude of me.
AnonLmfassoff
Yuck
I feel dirty just saying it...