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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

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WeekTestEDbolNolvadexClomidAdex
1750mg40mg/day.25mg adex (when needed)
2750mg40mg/day.25mg adex (when needed)
3750mg40mg/day.25mg adex (when needed)
4750mg40mg/day.25mg adex (when needed)
5750mg.25mg adex (when needed)
6750mg.25mg adex (when needed)
7750mg.25mg adex (when needed)
8750mg.25mg adex (when needed)
9750mg.25mg adex (when needed)
10750mg.25mg adex (when needed)
11750mg.25mg adex (when needed)
12750mg.25mg adex (when needed)
1320mg100mg
1420mg100mg
1520mg100mg
1620mg100mg
vhman's picture

Since this got bumped.... You need to populate the "Cycle Layout" up top with what you're running, not just write it out below. This will help with confusion. OP: What did you finally decide to run?

Undercover IFBB's picture

I would use anotrozole .5 e3d to look more tighter the whole cycle..
Then your pct I would increase my nolvaldex to 40mg 1-2weeks then drop to 20mg3-4
Same as clomid. 100mg 1-2w then drop to 50mg 3-4.. In my opinion.. I've done 5cycle so far.

irongame427's picture

This set up couldn't be more wrong. Let's start with your previous two cycles. Whst where they? Doses length drugs? When did your last one end? And if this is a eq test blend, do not but it.

Propionate's picture

Both test cycles, did the last one about 5 months ago, went perfect. Fully recovered now as I used the above pct. First cycle was 10 weeks, second was 12 weeks.
To me this seems like a good cycle. I'm ready for it I believe, care to prove why i shouldnt do it?

irongame427's picture

Propblem number 1- eq doesn't even fully kick in until week 8 of so if you run it 10 weeks your barely getting two weeks of it . Problem number 2, 250mgs of eq is not enough to do shit. Way to low. Then there's your pct. you need to drop the eq at the very least 4 weeks before you start pct. the calculations based on the half life put it at even longer then that but I think that's sufficient. So you need to run your test two weeks longer then the eq cause the esters are so different. If you decide to run eq you're looking at a 7 month ordeal. Atleast 16 weeks on the eq, a lot of people would even say that's to short and 20 weeks min, then you gotta run your test 2 weeks longer so were between 18-22 weeks of injections now. Then another 2.5 weeks to wait for pct, so now your looking at 20.5-22.5 weeks, then your pct which is atleast another 4 weeks. Might even need to be longer after shutting yourself down for so long. So a grand total of 24.5-26.5 weeks from start to finish.

Propionate's picture

Ok wow, i must re-do the whole thing then. What do you think would be a suitable 3rd cycle?
I am now thinking of Test E 350mg/week + 250mg Deca

irongame427's picture

Well that depends on your goals. What are they? Add muscle, lose fat, get stronger etc. What do you wanna get out of this cycle? But no I wouldn't advise deca.

Propionate's picture

I just want to be extremely fit looking with a lot of muscle.
I could do an equipoise cycle still because I have enough oil to be used up! the only complication is when I come off that 20 week cycle, i'll be terribly shut down and it won't feel good as well as that do you think it would be ok to run that for a third cycle? would some people go against it?

irongame427's picture

Personally I would just do a little higher test cycle with maybe an oral kicker and some proviron to stay hard and keep estrogen down. It's a lot easier to recover from, you can make all the gains you want
Something like
Weeks 1-12 750mg test ew
Weeks 1-5 tbol 70-100mgs ed
Weeks 1-12 proviron 50mg ed
Ai like Adex or aromasin on hand just incase the proviron isn't enough.
And then start you pct 18ish days after your last shot.

I put tbol instead of dbol cause it won't cause massive bloat like the dbol will and you'll be able to make some nice gains while you wait till the test to kick in.The proviron will free up more bound testosterone so you get the most out of the cycle, it'll keep estrogen in check, keep bloat down and keep you looking hard. And the 750mgs of test will be a nice increae from your previous cycles. There's no need to complicate things and keep adding drugs. You can reach your goals with this cycle no doubt. Diet will dictate your success.

Dickkhead's picture

Ya. Mid-cycle blood test to check on that old E2. Plasma level of Test 750 is gonna crank nice and high along with the estro.

irongame427's picture

Good thinking . Remember this op, blood work at Week 6 to see where everything's at and if your estrogen is being controlled, then adjust if necessary.

Propionate's picture

Just updated it

irongame427's picture

I like this alot better. But personally id run 12 weeks, adex only if necessary and use 50mgs proviron ed to control estro as well as all of its other benefits like freeing up testosterone bond to shbg. And run nolva 40mgs the first 2 weeks then 20 the second, and start your pct 18 days after your last shot.

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