posted Thu, 03/23/2017 - 22:40
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First Cycle.
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
| Week | Test cyp | TBol | Clomid | Exemestane |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 250mg | 50mg | 12.5mg EOD as needed | |
| 2 | 250mg | 50mg | ||
| 3 | 250mg | 50mg | ||
| 4 | 250mg | 50mg | ||
| 5 | 500mg | 50mg | ||
| 6 | 500mg | 50mg | ||
| 7 | 500mg | 50mg | ||
| 8 | 500mg | 50mg | ||
| 9 | 500mg | |||
| 10 | 500mg | |||
| 11 | 500mg | |||
| 12 | 500mg | |||
| 13 | ||||
| 14 | ||||
| 15 | 100mg | |||
| 16 | 100mg | |||
| 17 | 50mg | |||
| 18 | 25mg |
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250mg of TestC is a complete waist, you shut down your hpta the same with 250-500-750 mg,
start at 500mg ,
Tbol is a great choiche because it will not convert to estrongen , keep it for NO longer than 6 weeks,
start week 1 at 30 mg , week 2 at 40 mg, then go to 50mg from week 3-6 ,
DO not exceed 50mg of clomid , it's a big mistake, 50mg is PLENTY with that shit
I never make suggestions what people should take although this may sound like i am (but I'm not), but why 250 to start first 4 weeks? Usually that's just enough to stop natural production without much of a boost, not to mention how long it takes to see results of cyp. I think you may not see results till maybe 7 weeks with 250 to start. Anyone else have an opinion on this? I'm surprised no one brought this up.
Yea. I would front load it too. Atleast for the first two weeks.
I wouldn't do it like that, but it probably wouldn't affect the cycle all that much in the long run. 250 mgs of cyp, assuming it's properly dosed, will provide an extremely significant boost in testosterone.
Also he mentioned kick start. I kick start with prop. I do 500mg cyp first pin. Day 2 and 3 prop at 50 ml per day. Day 4 250 ml. cyp. Day 5 and 6 50 ml prop per day. Day 7 250 ml cyp. Day 8 50 prop and then 250 cyp every 3 days.
Completely unnecessary in my opinion. This is a frontload, not a kickstart. That's well over a gram of test the first eight days versus 500 ew afterwards.
Why is it necessary to always add an oral. Whatever happened to test only cycle......
I always recommend test only cycles for first cycles. Anything more is probably overkill
That's what I was told too. First cycle is always a test only cycle. When I first wrote out the cycle I thought I would have to change the dosage every 6 weeks though. That's why i'm glad I found this forum though, there is a ton on knowledge on this form, and the members help.
Yeah, but if you plug the numbers into this calculator https://roidcalc.powerbody.ru/?langid=8 you'll see it keeps your levels nice and steady until the dropoff at the end. That's why I do it and it puts your levels just about where you'll be in your last weeks by the end of week 1, especially if your not doing a long cycle.
May as well just frontload with the long ester exclusively if achieving even blood levels from the beginning is your goal. If the cycle is short, I'd keep all the esters short anyway and pin ed.
Agreed 100%. In the near future i think i will be using prop only for shorter cycles. This summer i'll be on a bit longer and i literally don't think my ass could take all those pins. In the past I've always have used sust which has prop in it anyway so the frontload i use compliments that cycle very nicely. You can feel a difference by the end of week 1.
Damn, no I didn't go with the 250 in the begining. I'm running 500mg/wk feom begining to end. I wanted to front load, or jump with tbol, but since I have no prior exp I decided against it. I have to get bloods done still i should be gieeting them on friday. I have to make the appt today.
Try private md labs. I'd edit out where you live. You don't want to crash your estro. AIs are to be taken when needed, not to "be safe."
I appreciate the info, ill stop taking it until i get bloods. Which test would i want? I seen an aas test for $300.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/labs-and-values-define...
Thanks again. I appreciate the help, and info.
like brooklyn said, be careful if you crash your estro you feel fu*ked up! I once had the "pleasure"!
I'm now 3 weeks into my cycle. I habe no sides so what i would like to know is, is the ai necessary. I have friends, and have been reading boards, and i keep getting conflicting pointa of view.
Im finishing week 3 of my cycle (test only), I got hit with all kinds of sides quick, but my test levels were already kind of in the high normal ranges before I started. I jumped on cycle straight from TRT.
Personally I wouldn't wait until the sides hit,
because believe me they can make you feel like shit.
Just my opinion though.
Just because you had that exeperience doesn't mean someone else will. There's no need to start taking unprescribed prescription medications "just in case" unless there's an explicit reason to.
Get bloods to answer that question
I dont have an extra $700 for bloods l, i just checked the cost with my local lab.
Normally £30-40
Whaaaaaaaaaaat??? That doesn't sound right. It should be like $60
Im in pa and i called Acl labs, and they told me check test is $300 and change, estrogen check is $300 and change. Unless im adking for the wrong thing. So i took 1/2 of aro to be on the safe side.
http://www.labsmd.com/panels.php?view=all&c=1
You can use these guys and find an inexpensive place to draw blood,
Got a current pic you can put up?
5'10 225 is definitely a great base. How long have you been training? What are your goals for the cycle? No reason to switch test dosage around. I'd keep it at Test cyp only at 500mg for 12 weeks. Start your AI 2-3 weeks in. Aromasin is strong and you may only need it e3d's. You'll crash your estrogen quick the way you have it. Pct with Clomid and Nolvadex. 100/40, 75/40, 50/20, and 50/20.
Five years off and on (reoccuring shoulder injury)
Ideally i'd like to gain 10lbs of lean muscle
I chose aro, bucause through my research i've read about estrogen rebound with adex
Why would you keep the TBol out? Is it best for first cycle to be test only? I figured an oral would help.
What about a kick starter? I don't know, but from what I have read I wont feel any effect from the test for at least 4 weeks. Is that correct, or should I not worry about that?
I was told by my dad to run my first cycle test only as well, he told me to run test c, 500mg wk, for 8 wks.
I appreciate appreciate the help.