dallasray's picture
dallasray
  • 5
2010

First Cycle: Test E/HCG

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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

31 years old
5'7" 175lbs/79Kilo
10-12% BF
Bench-325
Squat-335 (Injury related, I know it's weak)
Dead-415

After much research and hesitation I went with the top rated source for my first cycle. Wanted to keep it basic and see how my body responds to test-e alone. Plan on getting blood-work done 5 weeks in to adjust the aromasin dose accordingly. Purchased plenty of Nolva and Clomid and hoping PCT will be a smooth transition with the implementation of hcg during cycle.

I have been training since my freshmen year of high school, so off and on for 15 years now.My training has gone through many phases and revisions focusing on different things throughout its history. Although 16 months ago I was involved in an auto accident and was in the hospital for a month where I managed to lose 25 pounds, almost all of which was muscle mass. Before the accident I was quite the drinker and that affected my overall diet/health and ultimately my gains .I still walked around at 165-170 lbs and was quite lean. Since then I have all but cut out the booze and have been hyper focused on the gym and my diet. During the accident I sustained many injuries but the lingering one has been a compound fractured femur and torn quad. They placed a rod inside my entire femur and had to remove an approx. a roll of quarters portion of my outer quad muscle.

That being said, my goal for this cycle is to focus on getting my leg strength back safely and hitting the parts of my body that are lacking. Training arms has always been an afterthought as I typically do Chest/Tris, Back/Bi's, Shoulders/Traps, Legs. The tr's/bi's were never the primary concern of my workouts so my core build is thick and developed in comparison to moderate arms. I would like to gain and keep 10 solid pounds when it is all said and done. Taking an AI on a test only cycle with 500mg a week I hope water retention/weight will not be that much of the overall growth.

Diet is approximately 40/40/20 protein/carbs/fat as of right now at about 3000 calories. During cycle I plan on adjusting that to 50/30/20 and force feed myself to between 3500-4000 calories a day. I have always been more of a grazer when eating so I am going to try to consume a lot of nutrient dense food such as beef jerky, peanut butter, greek yogurt etc.

Questions;

Should I front load the test as I have 3 vials? Pros/Cons, Dosages?

Should I run my AI up until PCT? Have found many different opinions on this

I Have 6500iu of HCG should I ramp up the last 4 injections?

With test-e's half life should I wait a month to start PCT so it is completely out of my system compared to many people saying 10-14 days? Once again many opinions but I am leaning toward waiting a full month.

Supplements;

BCAA 5 grams pre and post workout
Glutamine 10 grams p/p wrkt
Creatine 5 gram post
Carnitine p/p wrkt
Orange triad or similar multi, fish oil, beef liver pills, milk thistle, vitamin D, ZMA, cranberry extract

If you have made it this far thanks for reading all the bullshit. I am excited and also a little nervous with this process. It has been a long time coming and think I am pretty close to my genetic potential and am ready for the next step. I am open to any and all feedback.

WeekTestosterone EnanthatePregnylAromasinNolvadex Clomid
1500mg500IU
2500mg500IU
3500mg500IU
4500mg500IU25mg EOD
5500mg500IU25mg EOD
6500mg500IU25mg EOD
7500mg500IU25mg EOD
8500mg500IU25mg EOD
9500mg500IU25mg EOD
10500mg500IU25mg EOD
11500mg500IU25mg EOD
12500mg500IU25mg EOD
13500IU
14
15
16
1740100
1840100
192050
202050
PRE CYCLE PIC: 
Whitetrash's picture

4 weeks is to long to wait before starting pct. Start pct two weeks after the last test shot and go with clomid at 100 for both weeks 1 and 2.

dallasray's picture

Thanks WT. All the goodies are en route and pct was shipped in a different package and last of course. Regardless I will wait for everything to get here and run the Clomid @100 for two weeks. Was a little concerned with sides on it but after digging a little deeper have found that it is very rare.

committed's picture

Re: How long to wait before PCT (last question)

I waited 21 days after 12 weeks of test E. I think it was too long. On my second cycle I will try 14 days.

The reason I think this is that - despite half life - I felt "below natural" around 18 days after the last shot. Once I started the SERMs, my emotions got really blunted. My guess is that test and estrogen were both crashed.

I was thinking the same as you when planning that 21 days: let the suppressive stuff clear out before starting to restart. Next time I want to catch it on the way down - not wait for the bottom.

dallasray's picture

It's good to hear real world experience from someone who already tried what I was considering. Thanks man!

GRIMEY's picture

A couple things.

IMO I wouldnt front load on your first cycle. It can make it a little harder to get your AI dose dialed in. That being said aromasin is better dosed ed as opposed to eod. Also, Inwouldnt start off at 25mg eod (12.5 if you go ed) as you could crash your estro right away and feel like trash as well as have lots of sides.

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dallasray's picture

Thanks for taking the time to give me some feedback. i will just split the pills and take it everyday in attempts to keep my E2 levels more stabilized. From my research many suggest starting AI with first injections as others say don't take it unless needed. My thoughts are with the implementation of hcg as well I'm leaning towards taking it from the start and then see what my blood work says around week 5. Is this a sound strategy for minimal sides and least harmful cycle?

Makwa's picture

I wouldn't bother with the HCG, once again can make dialing in your AI a real chore and you really shouldn't need it for the cycle you are running. Just another complexity you don't need to to worry about right now. Run your cycle with just test e and start AI week 4 get bloods week 6 and adjust ai from there.

dallasray's picture

Thank you for the advice sir. Veterans like you is why this site is such a valuable tool. I would really like to run the hcg though as a preemptive strike to the reduced natural test production that the test will induce. If I get my blood work done early in the cycle and adjust AI accordingly will this be the best path for a solid clean run or do you still believe I should drop it all together?

Makwa's picture

First cycle I would drop it. Once you get into using 19nors or run extended cycles then I might consider it, but for a 12 wk test e cycle, I wouldn't bother with it.

Whitetrash's picture

I agree. Running hcg throughout is unnecessary. I would use hcg in the two weeks before pct starts though at 1500iu once per week. That works well for me.