posted Wed, 09/24/2014 - 01:41
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+ 1 First Cycle Test E Critiques welcome! (final draft)
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
First cycle.
Please feel free to critique & help me perfect this cycle.
Picking up my Test, PCT, and AI all at once. Want to make decent gains and stay lean and hard.
| Week | Testosterone En or Cyp (Mon & Thur) | Arimidex | Nolvadex / Clomid (15 days after last pin) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 250mg X 2 | ||
| 2 | 250mg X 2 | ||
| 3 | 250mg X 2 | ||
| 4 | 250mg X 2 | .125mg EOD (If needed) | |
| 5 | 250mg X 2 | .125mg EOD (If needed) | |
| 6 | 250mg X 2 | .125mg EOD (If needed) | |
| 7 | 250mg X 2 | .125mg EOD (If needed) | |
| 8 | 250mg X 2 | .125mg EOD (If needed) | |
| 9 | 250mg X 2 | .125mg EOD (If needed) | |
| 10 | 250mg X 2 | .125mg EOD (If needed) | |
| 11 | 250mg X 2 | .125mg EOD (If needed) | |
| 12 | 250mg X 2 | .125mg EOD (If needed) | |
| 13 | .125mg EOD (If needed) | ||
| 14 | .125mg EOD (If needed) | 40mg ED / 100mg ED | |
| 15 | 40mg ED / 100mg ED | ||
| 16 | 20mg ED / 50mg ED | ||
| 17 | 20mg ED / 50mg ED |
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Make sure you go over proper sanitation and pinning techniques. This will get you more time in the gym. I rotate sites high and low as I rotate weights high and low to maximize my pain free workouts
hey TRISKEL pm me bro have a question for ya .. nice log btw
Before I bounce, I wanted to give you this link to the forums on PCT and anti-estrogens. There is a bunch of good advice from advanced members explaining that most people won't need an Ai on 500mgs of test per week. Shoot, some people run test twice that high and still don't need an Ai.
Welcome to eroids, Triskel. Be careful who you take advice from (some people have more experience than others). And do as much of your own research as possible.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens
Thank you for all your help Older School, youve been very welcoming. Ill have the aromasin on hand and run it at 6.25mg ED when and if I start getting any itchiness in my nipples, otherwise I wont use it. I was also considering getting my blood taken before I start, at 6 weeks, and 3 weeks after PCT. Ill post those when I get them.
I am planning on using this method to get cheap blood work that I found online...
These methods do not work in NY, NJ, MA, MD or RI. You'll have to ask your doctor for bloods if you live there, because of local laws. Or get an online doc to make the request for you, see https://www.directlabs.com/access/Ho...S/Default.aspx
"FIRST METHOD (BEST, BUT COSTS $10 more)
Go to:
https://www.labsmd.com/tests.php?vie...4&search=#2234
Scroll down to "hormone panel for females," and order that. It should be $72.99.
You'll get exact numbers for everything."
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Think it'll work?
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They are the cheapest and always have 10-12% discount out there.
And definitely get those bloods as you stated above. This is the only way to know what is going on with your body. Don't wait for side effects to appear. Be responsible.
I think you are on the right track. As a matter of fact, you have clearly done more research than most people starting out with AAS. Go get 'em, brother!
Excellent points. Bloods are a key to this as well. Keep the guessing out of the whole thing.
I was planning on getting bloods done right before, at week 6, and 3 weeks after PCT. What do you think?
And please et me know if you think the blood test service I posted above will suffice
Most use labsmd here, but I'm sure others would be fine, as long as they give you the pertinent numbers you're looking for. Six weeks in is fine. Just be aware of estro signs.
In all likelihood, you'll be okay, but everyone is different. I used to never need AI's on my cycles (around 500 mg of test a week) when I was younger. Now that I'm older and on TRT, I need an AI, even at my low trt dose. You just don't know until you get there and get tested. Very glad you're putting in the effort to do this right. +2
Thanks for the help man! In whatever I do, I always try to get it right the first time and that takes a bit of planning and asking questions
Definitely run an AI. I am running this exact cycle and was taking .5mg of adex twice a week and my E2 was in the 90s. Bumped it up to 3x per week and E2 got to where it is supposed to be.
So, your profile shows that you joined eroids last month and you are running your second cycle ever. Good for you. I've run about 25 cycles during the past 10 years. What makes you think you are an expert on Ai use?
Also, your current cycle log shows you are running Sustanon and Anavar, along with a few other things. A previous version of your cycle log (from a few weeks ago) shows you were running/going to run Dbol. If this guy was running more than just test, I'd suggest an Ai. But he's not. So, your cycles are not the same.
2nd cycle will not be until Spring. Not sure what direction I am going to take things and wanted to see what the guys said before picking up my gear. Currently finishing up 1st cycle of 300mg of TE E4D. Joined site at about week 5. At time of bloods was taking .5 mg of adex twice a week and E2 was 99.2
An expert on AI use? What's to know? Feel some hard lumps behind you nips...take them. Nipple sore and itchy...take them. Get bloods around week 4 or 5 and if your E2 is high...take them. If you're currently taking AI and and your E2 is out of range...adjust dose up or down accordingly, get bloods in 2 weeks, see where E2 is, and repeat if necessary.
I don't think anyone should begin their first cycle without having some AI on hand. Whether or not they decide to run it I don't care. They should have it just in case they NEED it.
Sheesh. I guess all of the years we've spent researching different compounds and dosages that deal with aromatization were unnecessary. Everything we really needed to know is in your ridiculous post.
Tell you what: Go read the forums on PCT and anti-estrogens. There are hundreds of topics and thousands of comments. When you get done reading, come back here and tell us if you already knew all of that.
No disrespect intended. I just don't think this is a very complicated topic. The research has been done and the results have been in for a long time. Proper protocal is established.
I believe you should always have everything you NEED and MIGHT NEED before you take your first pin.
To tell this guy that he doesn't need an AI because 500mg is a "low dose" is irresponsible. What if he does? What if he is a high aromatizer with tendencies for gyno. I have a friend that developed large bitch tits on 500mg/wk of Sust. He ordered an AI when the symptoms appeared, but by the time his AI arrived in the mail it was too late. I am not doubting you knowledge or experience. All I am saying is the members with a ton of experience need to remember that not everyone will get the primarily positive responses to gear that you did. There are individuals that are very side effect prone even at "low doses".
I see that the kid did decide to at least get himself some aromasin in case he NEEDS it and YOU consented to his decision.
You must have reading comprehension issues. My advice has been consistent: I told him to absolutely have an Ai on hand, but don't start it at the beginning of the cycle. He won't need it for at least three weeks, and he probably won't need it at all.
You, on the other hand, told him to:
If you are going to try to argue with me, make sure you understand what it is that I'm saying. And then try to remember what it is that you said.
Must have missed your saying that. My apologies.
I spoke to a few of my friends that cycle this morning at the gym about this and none are able to control estrogen without an AI, except my black friends. Is there a reason for this? All of us white guys estrogen goes up significantly without AI.
I realize this has nothing to do with this kids cycle so I sent you a FR. Please accept. No hard feelings. It's obvious you know your stuff. I would like to ask you a few questions if that's OK?
No hard feelings here, brother. Sorry if I got a little pissed. FR accepted.
You're fighting the good fight, wether the masses realize it or not.
Thanks, brother. LMAO
Did a lot of reading today, changed up my cycle a bit. What do you think of the changes?
rocketballzIt looks pretty good to me bro. Just remember to stop the hcg a few days before pct. you may or may not need to increase your AI so stsrting it 0.25 is a good idea. Hcg should be 250-500 iu's twice a week.
Me personally, I only use one scoop of protein a day in my Viking shake before breakfast and that's all I like to do. Instead of only thinking macros consider micro nutrients as well. Nothing wrong with adding supplements but I would rather put the money towards real food before supplements.
Also personal experience and depending where you live, why not go all out bulk instead of trying to stay lean. Of course this is all personal preference but I know if I went lean bulk my first cycle I would not have been happy with the results. I think lean bulks work great for those who already have mass there. It's fall here so hoodies are great for bulk season ;) no worrying about the extra weight, shirts not coming off to impress anyone.
If time is an issue, plan ahead. You can boil a whole dozen of eggs in advance and take them on the go. I strongly recommend meal prepping and having all your meals ready for a couple days. It had made a huge difference for me.
Just my .02 cents. Good luck with the cycle brother.
Thanks man! And yeah I live in Tallahassee, its still in the 80s everyday right now and every guy here is incredibly fit. Some on gear, some not. The only thing I have going for me at 5,10 170lbs is some decent vascularity, definition and striation. I started losting my hair when I was 17 and now I just pretty much shave it off, going for Jason Statham's build, never seen anyone pull off balding as well as him.
I would like to put on muscle and still stay pretty defined. I guess I could bump up the calories the further I am into the cycle and forget about being lean as it gets cold.
I'm in the final week of my cycle, went from 165 to currently 185 with minimal bloat or fat. Maintained a six pack the whole time. Anything less and I would of been dissatisfied. Two foods which were quick to eat and helped me hit my macros were the nature valley granola bars with a cup of non fat plain Greek yogurt and cottage cheese with a tablespoon of sugar free apricot preserves for sweetening. If you can find these on sale snag em. I eat a cup of both each day in between full meals. No cooking required! Just try and buy in bulk to save money because if you buy those by the cup it will cost you.
Ditch the var for your first run. Even on heavy cycles i only recommend 6 weeks max with hcg. With such a light cycly i would say you dont need it. Your pct needs to start 2 weeks after your last pin of test e. It takes 2 weeks for the test to clear your system. You will need to get some aromasin and switch to a light dose as soon as you stop adex. When you stop adex, estrogen will rebound in your system since adex only temporarily binds to estro. I would stop adex when you take your last pin of test e. Then try 6.25 mg of aromasin ed after your last pin of test e, and run it through your first week of pct. Good luck bro.
Yeah, I was planning on waiting until day 15 to start PCT. Im not rushing this cycle, so Ill keep tweaking it until its perfect! Thanks for the help ill read into aromasin.
That's the exact same thing I told him in the forums when he posted this cycle there. The only difference was that I suggested he might not need the adex at all if he runs a test-only cycle at 500mgs per week.
But the guy really needs to focus on his caloric intake. He is in his mid-20s and doesn't eat near enough to gain any mass. I don't think people "drilled" him about it as much as they were trying to help him understand that you need muchos calories to put on muscle.
Would there be any negatives to running the adex at .25mg EOD just in case? And what are your fews on using aromasin near the end as suggested above?
It's not that the adex is a bad idea; it's that the adex probably wouldn't be needed in a cycle like yours.
I am gyno-prone and I run pretty aggressive cycles these days, so I have to use an aromatase inhibitor during my cycle. I wish I didn't have to, and here's why: I could save money by not purchasing the compound; I wouldn't have to worry about crashing my estrogen levels during cycle; and I wouldn't have to worry about taking another pill every day.
But if you want to use it just in case, then more power to you. You'll probably be just fine.
I use aromasin throughout my cycles to keep estro in check, and then I use it in PCT, along with clomid and nolvadex. It's a little more powerful than adex and works really well in PCT.