posted Sat, 03/12/2016 - 22:47
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First cycle-going to the darkside
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
Currently 6'2 261lbs ~18%bf
Powerlifting, been training for 20+ years
Current big 3 BP-412 SQ-540 DL-625
Goal is to cut body fat harden up while moderately increasing strength. Been on a Keto diet for 30 days and dropped about 15lbs (mostly water and waste). Been taking 4iu's HGH to help heal old injuries and will continue throughout. Going to use prop to clear system quickly for a meet about 45 days after cycle ends.
Week 1-12
65mg Test Prop ED
35mg Mast Prop ED
4iu's HGH ED
.5mg Arimidex eod
Week 13-15 standard pct
Clomid/nolvadex/hcg
| Week | Test p | ugh |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 350mg | 4iu |
| 2 | 350mg | 4iu |
| 3 | 350mg | 4iu |
| 4 | 350mg | 4iu |
| 5 | 350mg | 4iu |
| 6 | 350mg | 4iu |
| 7 | 350mg | 4iu |
| 8 | 350mg | 4iu |
| 9 | 350mg | 4iu |
| 10 | 350mg | 4iu |
| 11 | 350mg | 4iu |
| 12 | 350mg | 4iu |
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so upon taking advice, i'm only running Test, although it is Prop, as that's what I bought. Doing 50mg ED. So far so good. Rotating through Delts Quads Glutes and VGlutes. Even tried one subQ. So far the pins have been easy, and pip hasn't been too bad. No real pain, more of a 3 day old bruise type feeling. Been using slinpins, but switched to 25gauge 1" for quads/glutes. I assume the pip will start to fade as my muscles adapt to the pinning. For anyone that cares Sub Q wasn't very bad, but did leave a lump for 2 days. probably won't do that again unless other sites are sore. After a 4 days haven't really noticed any feeling different. Posted precycle bloods if anyones curious. Will run midcyle bloods at about 5 weeks
bigmurphIf you have 12 wks to run a cycle you can still run a test c or e cycle just use a prop taper at the end and start with the test e or c so you can get use to it and familiar with some of the sides and changes.
I wouldn't run multiple compounds. I know everyone says it but its true. If you must run use just test and your ai. Keep taking your hgh and try to use the e or c but run just prop if you must.
This is solid advice. By the time you are getting to the end of yoru long cycle you will be ready to get some practice in with a prop taper.
Never thought about switching from E to P at the end. Makes a lot of sense. I'll save the mast for another cycle and stick to just T this time. Would 500mg/week "E" for 7 weeks, and then last 5 weeks 100mg EOD "P" make more sense?
Thanks for the input.
This is all wrong dude. You need to get your feet wet with a simple long ester cycle. We don't push that just because it is the best way to go, it is also the best way to learn how to pin different locations correctly. You certainly are not ready for a shorts cycle. But hey, if you want to deal with side effects you have no idea about, knock yourself out.
The reason for the shorts is I need to have my system cleared in time for a competition. I obviously don't want to do anything crazy and cause myself problems. I thought ED super slow pinning with small needles would be manageable? Been pinning HGH for a couple months already and oddly enjoy it. I'm open to any and all input.
Pinning HGH and pinning oils are completely different animals. There is no PIP from HGH. You will certainly have PIP from propianate esters. You will do what you are going to do just don't say we didn't warn you bro. If you cannot start with test C or E and give that a good solid effort I advise you to wait.
updated my cycle, and for what it's worth you are right.
I'm not 100% sure on this but I read that it may be better to cycle HCG while on cycle, as long as no 19 nor compounds are included. Protocol seems to be 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off and discontinue before PCT. Have you read this anywhere?
bigmurphI use my hcg for the last 8 wks up to pct at 250iu or 500iu depending. It definitely helps my recovery.
Yes, I've read both