I dont take it the wrong way and I appreciate your honesty. I agree with you that I could still achieve a lot without the juice, but why should I? Gains are getting slower and slower, strength is plateauing, and I am busting my ass 5 days a week for 1 to 1.25 hours with a lot of intensity using failure, drop sets, rest pauses, overloaded and slow negative reps, and switch rep ranges from 2 to 20. I am spending money on vitamins, creatine, nitric oxide, and protein to get an edge…why not get something that is more effective?

Here is an example of my workout today for Chest and Tri’s:
Flat Bench: 185x5 – 205x5 – 205x5 – 205x5 - 205x4 – 135x10 (slow negative, explosive positive)
Incline Smith Bench no lock out – 95x20 - 135x15 – 155x12 Superset with:
Dips, parallel bars, body weight – 15,12,11
Peck Deck flyes (long hold and stretch on last few reps): 175x15 – 175x12 – 175x12 Superset with:
Push-ups close grip – 12, 12, 11
Cable Tri Push downs – 65x15 – 65x15 – 65x15 Dropset dropping weight 2 times getting 8 and then 13 reps.
Machine Bench Press overloaded at 250 with negative movement only 2 sets 5 reps. Weighted sit ups on decline bench and leg raises between sets. I take the last rep 1 away from failure unless on a machine or body weight and then I go past failure and usually cheat the positive to get a few extra slow negatives in.

Here are the rest of my workouts
Back – Bi’s - Calves: Deadlift heavy 5 sets, Pull ups (7 sets of 5), Rows, 2 types of Curls, calves
Delts – Traps: Overhead press heavy 5 sets, lateral and front raises, upright rows, shrugs, rear flyes
Legs: Squats heavy and deep 5 sets, leg press (deep), ext, curl, calve raises

Abs every workout either during rest time or end of workout. Calves and forearms every other workout. Lots of supersets and dropsets. I take as much rest as needed on 1st exercise of day and then about 1 minute for all other exercises. I take Thursdays off for softball and only take days off if I need them or when something comes up. Very rear to take 2 days off in a row.

Thinking of throwing in Delts with Chest and Traps with Back and doing a 3 day split while on first cycle. What are your thoughts?

Thanks, but why wait 15 days after test e shot?

Clean throughout week. Mainly paleo, all meat, salads with fat dressing, lots of fruit pre and post workout. Average day is 200-250 protein, 50-75 carbs, 75-100 fats, 2-2500 cal. Weakness is drinking on weekends which adds 2,000+ calories and unhealthy food choices on top of that. Will try to calm this down to a minimum during cycle.

Thanks! What about tapering off the test e?