First cycle ever. Thoughts/critiques/suggestions are all appreciated!
Alright, so after lots of careful planning & research, I'm just days away from starting this journey. I've been lifting for about 8 years, & 4-5 of those years have been w/regular routine & proper diet. Right this moment, I'm 26 years old, 6'1 185lbs & 9-10% bf. I've been on a bulking diet for the last several months, trying to get as close as possible to 190lbs while maintaining 10% bf or less, in preparation for this cycle. My goals/expectations for this cycle is to continue bulking, while trying to finally hit 200lbs or more, without gaining much more bodyfat in the process. If I'm able to gain at least 20lbs during this cycle & keep 50% of that after PCT, I will be more than pleased. I have a few concerns I was hoping to have addressed by some of the more experienced/knowledgable members, one of which being about my AI. Since I placed my order, I've since come to the conclusion that aromasin is generally preferred/suggested over anastrozole, & I believe that's due to the crash/estrogen rebound anastrozole can cause upon cessation of use. Obviously this is something I would like to avoid, & having already ordered anastrozole, I was wondering if adding aromasin to my PCT might help with that.. & if so what an effective protocol might be in terms of dosage. Secondly, I was curious as to what some of the pros/cons might be to running 0.5mg of ADEX every 3rd day, as opposed to every other day. Also, I'm aware of the common concerns many have with running more than one compound for one's first cycle, & while I will most certainly take all comments to heart, I feel that I've researched the compounds I've chosen well enough to make an informed decision in regards to the potential positives/negatives associated with each. I've witnessed lots of quality adivce being shared on eroids throughout the time I've spent lurking around the forums, & I am open & eager to hear any & all suggestions or comments you guys might have. Thanks a lot bro's!
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Dianabol | Anastrozole | Testosterone Propionate | Nolvadex | Clomid | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 30mg ED | 0.25mg E3D | ||||
| 2 | 500mg | 30mg ED | 0.25mg E3D | ||||
| 3 | 500mg | 30mg ED | 0.25mg E3D | ||||
| 4 | 500mg | 30mg ED | 0.25mg E3D | ||||
| 5 | 500mg | 0.25mg E3D | |||||
| 6 | 500mg | 0.25mg E3D | |||||
| 7 | 500mg | 0.25mg E3D | |||||
| 8 | 500mg | 0.25mg E3D | |||||
| 9 | 500mg | 0.25mg E3D | |||||
| 10 | 500mg | 0.25mg E3D | |||||
| 11 | 500mg | 0.25mg E3D | |||||
| 12 | 500mg | 0.25mg E3D | 100mg EOD | ||||
| 13 | 0.25mg E3D | 100mg EOD | |||||
| 14 | 0.25mg E3D | 100mg EOD | |||||
| 15 | 20mg ED | 100mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | ||||
| 16 | 20mg ED | 100mg ED | 12.5mg EOD | ||||
| 17 | 10mg ED | 50mg ED | 6.25mg EOD | ||||
| 18 | 10mg ED | 50mg ED | 6.25mg EOD |
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I need to do a little more reading..?? dude youre the only one stressing the pins on here while everyone else is giving legitimate concerns, he has very low bf, everyone but you is saying it depends on the person, that's like saying everyone gets gyno..and how can you say what they were doing?? You weren't there when we discussed it. Go away lol..read up bud, we'll chat later, after your homework little fella
AnonHaha! Whatever you say, sucka!
Funny thing about BF% is that it is an expression of the overall amount of adipose tissue. Even better is the manner that our bodies distribute this tissue. I was a personal trainer for 4 years brotha. One service I provided was body composition testing. As opposed to the most common 3-pt test, I used a 5-7pt test. So, not only do I know that the buttocks is one place that the body is physiologically programmed to store higher portions of body fat, I have had the opportunity to observe the varying degrees to which body fat is distributed from person to person.
Some guys, for instance, distribute so that more is in the abs and upper torso as opposed to being proportionate. I have also seen some guys with their sum measurements place them between 10-12%, yet their thighs had the highest readings. In some cases in the 20s. Now you would think that someone at 10-12% would have a skin fold closer to 4-6, but the genetics simply may not allow it.
So, I'll give you partial credit since you're so sensitive: everyone is different; you're correct. One physiological fact is that our bodies WILL distribute a greater amount of fat in the buttocks region. The bf% is an expression of overall bf. With a % this low, if he is accurate, I'd say its safe to go with 5/8" in the quads or delts. My recommendation was to play it safe and add simplicity. For the glutes... Unless he's 6%, which would be more like 8% with calipers, I wouldn't expect the layer of fatty tissue to be small enough as to avoid gettin knots from 1" pins. Maybe in some cases but not most.
But by all means, don't let my idiotic advice stop you from using your 1" pins. It's your body. But THIS guy has not yet experiences pinning this frequently. The objective is to ease the discomfort. You're throwing idealologies out there under the assumption that his body fat is low or even accurate.
But, I'll shut my mouth, bc it's apparent that I don't know jack.
thanks for the read! I've come across several very similar articles in regard to AI's.. feel I have a fairly firm grasp on how they work & the main differences/purposes of AI's such as letro, aromasin, & anastrozole. my concern was having already ordered adex as my on cycle AI, before I fully understood the benefits of using aro instead, so I guess in hopes of not having to wait another few weeks to get this started (while waiting for aro), I was curious to hear what everyone thought of just moving forward w/the adex & adding aromasin to my PCT (to avoid some of that harsh rebound from the adex). I now understand the many advantages of running aromasin over anastrozole as an on-cycle AI, so won't be making that mistake in the future. thanks a lot for the input! really appreciate it.
Anongood job! i highly recommend you follow massive's protocol and drop that dbol. if you eat and train right, you will get great results. next cycle, come find one of us and will show you another way to manipulate the test protocol to give you some better gains. cool? also, please adjust that adex dose. run it at .25 e3d until you can confirm with sides or labs. labs should be ran week 6-7 anyways to learn how your e2 levels are responding to the AI.
the prop taper is designed to provide a steady flow of test during a time when serum levels are dropping quickly. this avoids the crash for you. eod pinning needs to be done properly. you need to familiarize yourself with the various site locations. http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm will help you with that.
for glutes, you want 1.5" pins 23g. for quads and delts: 5/8" to 1" pins 25-27g. the smaller pins will help reduce pip dramatically. they will take longer to inject tho, so be patient. slow injections relieve pip.. never go over 1 cc in the delt, 3 cc in the quad, or 5 cc in the glute (per injection). you can buy your pins and barrels separately to cut the cost a bit. i'd get 100 barrels (3cc) and split the pins however to equal 100.
hope this is helpful.
Yes that is why my choice is always aromasin over adex..
Heres more info on why i think Aro is the better AI.
My specific preference of aromasin is becuz just 25mg decreases aromatisation by 98% for a period of 5-7 days. In addition, it shows a very positive effect on LH & FSH, as well as increase in gonadrotopin, making it great not only on cycle but also for pct.
Furtheremore, it also increases IGF-1 levels, which is a much desired effect. Moreover, it is less harsh on blood lipids than other AIs.
These qualities make it much more superior To other AIs like "adex". And if i was taking it during a cycle to stop LARGE amounts of gear from aromatising it would be my only choice.
Funnily enough, ive read dosages In excess of 400mg/day of aromasin Have shown to act slightly androgenic, which is not relevant though as the price is quite high.
Hey massive I could use some advice on my test e cycle as far as Aromasin/estro I sent request. Would be appreciated.
Anonfunnily... is that a real word? lol
Of course it is.
this is very helpful.. really appreciate your time bro.
Pm me anytime if u need more help with anything!! x)
yup !
As i am taller than you i understand how hard it is for us taller guys to gain and really fill out... i can honestly say from your picture you really havnt been hitting the food hard enough ''bulking'' and training for 4 years looking like that. but if your gonna run which im sure u are anyway, only you can find out through sensitivity of nips ect, how you will need to dose your adex, yes maybe e3d... maybe more. And i ran d bol first cycle, and can honestly yup its cool but first cycle its a waste cuz u wont be ready to handle it or maintain any of it. And i love aro for pct def helps thats my 02.
Thanks for the comment.. I haven't been bulking for 4 years, just for the last few months.
the only problem i can see is that you have to many weeks over lapping with the test prop as a end taper will give you kind of a boost and then you have to come off
Absolutely not bro, keep the taper where it is
I was concerned w/that as well, as I've just decided on the prop taper. Should I start it at week 10 & drop at week 14?