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  • EditFirst cycle ever. Thoughts/critiques/suggestions are all appreciated!

  • lmntRC   •   Thu, Jan 3rd, '13 21:43   •   45 replies, 2737 views

Cycle layout

WeekTestosterone EnanthateDianabolAnastrozoleTestosterone PropionateNolvadexClomidAromasin
1500mg30mg ED0.25mg E3D
2500mg30mg ED0.25mg E3D
3500mg30mg ED0.25mg E3D
4500mg30mg ED0.25mg E3D
5500mg0.25mg E3D
6500mg0.25mg E3D
7500mg0.25mg E3D
8500mg0.25mg E3D
9500mg0.25mg E3D
10500mg0.25mg E3D
11500mg0.25mg E3D
12500mg0.25mg E3D100mg EOD
130.25mg E3D100mg EOD
140.25mg E3D100mg EOD
1520mg ED100mg ED12.5mg EOD
1620mg ED100mg ED12.5mg EOD
1710mg ED50mg ED6.25mg EOD
1810mg ED50mg ED6.25mg EOD

Description, concerns and expectations

Alright, so after lots of careful planning & research, I'm just days away from starting this journey. I've been lifting for about 8 years, & 4-5 of those years have been w/regular routine & proper diet. Right this moment, I'm 26 years old, 6'1 185lbs & 9-10% bf. I've been on a bulking diet for the last several months, trying to get as close as possible to 190lbs while maintaining 10% bf or less, in preparation for this cycle. My goals/expectations for this cycle is to continue bulking, while trying to finally hit 200lbs or more, without gaining much more bodyfat in the process. If I'm able to gain at least 20lbs during this cycle & keep 50% of that after PCT, I will be more than pleased. I have a few concerns I was hoping to have addressed by some of the more experienced/knowledgable members, one of which being about my AI. Since I placed my order, I've since come to the conclusion that aromasin is generally preferred/suggested over anastrozole, & I believe that's due to the crash/estrogen rebound anastrozole can cause upon cessation of use. Obviously this is something I would like to avoid, & having already ordered anastrozole, I was wondering if adding aromasin to my PCT might help with that.. & if so what an effective protocol might be in terms of dosage. Secondly, I was curious as to what some of the pros/cons might be to running 0.5mg of ADEX every 3rd day, as opposed to every other day. Also, I'm aware of the common concerns many have with running more than one compound for one's first cycle, & while I will most certainly take all comments to heart, I feel that I've researched the compounds I've chosen well enough to make an informed decision in regards to the potential positives/negatives associated with each. I've witnessed lots of quality adivce being shared on eroids throughout the time I've spent lurking around the forums, & I am open & eager to hear any & all suggestions or comments you guys might have. Thanks a lot bro's!

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  • johnmarshall12's picture
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  • johnmarshall12
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You gained some decent size but look bloated from the DBOL mainly, but the DBOL/Test combo will do that to you.

Toward the end I would have tried tot shed some of the water weight, by adding some Masterone and lowering the test to get the drier harder look! +1 for the attempt!

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Thanks man.. I gained 26lbs (a lot of bloat though too, like you said). This was my first cycle, so I tried to keep it simple by sticking to just the test with the dbol kickstart.

  • noob143's picture
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This was started in 2013. So what in the fuck are you doing in the years between? Something isn't right. Did you start it back then and just post I pic of fours years of growth? Because that is what it looks like to me! Not to mention having dbol as a kicker and prop as a taper for your first cycle is not keeping it simple!

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I was just late updating the results.. A lot happened over the course of that cycle, I moved across the country, had a kid, changed jobs, etc.. Just decided to finally post an old pic of me taken pretty close to the end of that first cycle, as I just decided to run my second cycle late last year, so it was my first time back on eroids since then. Also, I decided against the prop taper, it ended up just being the 500mg test with the dbol kickstart. I apologize for the late update if that's what you're taking issue with haha.. Figured better late than never. At least there's an after pic now to go with the before pic if anyone ever decides to reference it while researching their own cycle. Is it current pictures you're interested in here? Just let me know, not keeping a log on this one, but I'm still happy to upload something current just for you ;)

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dude this is four years old

  • mr127superdee's picture
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  • mr127superdee
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have both aromasin and arimidex on hand most people only tolerate one of the two and if you get a bad reaction from adex you dont wanna be stuck waiting for shipping on another AI

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  • lmntRC
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So let's say, hypothetically, I keep the dbol as is (haven't decided 100% on this yet, still want to ask some bro's a couple questions via PM), would it be wise to start the adex at .25 E3D from week 1, as opposed to week 3, since it's highly aromatizing? Also, would I continue to run adex through my prop taper, right up to 3 days before PCT? Aside from the dbol issue, how does the edited cycle look? Thanks a ton fella's.

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  • lmntRC
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very appreciative of everyone who took time to throw in suggestions & comments! got a lot of questions/concerns addressed.. I will edit my cycle log tmrw (using my phone right now). sending some FR's to get a little more insight on a couple of things. feel like I'm surrounded by some very knowledgable dudes on here!

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  • Anonymous
  • 5 years ago

way too heavy on the adex bro. you're gonna nuke your e2 levels with that and wind up with no sex drive and achy joints. aromasin is a much better choice. here's an interesting read that will give you some insight on AIs:

http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-and-aromasin

drop the dbol bro.. not a good first cycle choice.

  • MASSIVE48's picture
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I think he has adex already tho, so he can start with adex and switch later on the cycle.

  • anon
 

his adex dose is still too high. 0.25 e3d until he can confirm with sides or lab tests.

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  • Anonymous
  • 5 years ago

you dont want to forget your forearms brp

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  • Anonymous
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Nother tip I wouldnt eat anymore than 40 to 50 grams of protein each time and a minimum of 20 carbs are good! eat every 2 to 3 hours and drink alot of water after you work out eat some gummy bears or pixy sticks to spike your igf1 too! little trick I found lol

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  • fast48
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Research adex dosing. Drop the dbol

  • anon
 

X2 !!

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  • Anonymous
  • 5 years ago

yeah after you last test e injection then do like 4 weks of test p! id throw out dbols and go all test but if you must it will b ok for about no more than 5 weeks run a good ai too cuz they aromatize real good lol. also use liver support of some sort before during and after! 30 mg of dbols isnt bad at all its a good starting low dosage so +1.for not putting and dumb big amount for first time !

  • anon
 

2-3 week taper max.. no dbol, bro... first cycle...

  • anon
 

yeah I know but if he is stuck on using dbols then he is going to do it and I think dose is good but yeah deff all test bro I know. I disagree with 2-3 weeks I think 3-4 so the test e clears and then he waits 3 days and pcts and id do the new protocal pct with aromasin added

  • anon
 

by the 3rd week, it has mostly cleared out.. pct starts on 3rd to 4th week (2-3 wk taper), give the clomid a chance to start working before you're left dead. we're trying to avoid the crash, not induce it.

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thanks a lot bro, really appreciate it. got some pretty long arms so forearms aren't my strongest area.

  • anon
 

no problem bro yeah deff work your forearms ! some people are blessed and all there reg workouts manage to make there forearms grow, but most dont theure just like calves u got to work them. another helpfull type is run some creatine on pct to help with holding gains !

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  • MASSIVE48
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Imo you can still grow natty at least. 200+ but since u feel your ready go for it BUT TEST E ONLY like you have it..save the dbol for second cycle.. Prop taper isnt that bad IMO due to the fact that u wont have to wait those 15 days to start PCT. yes go with aro for pct bro it will help alot.

1-12 Test E 500mg a week split dose mon and thursdays.
12-14 Test P 100mg EOD
Ai- adex 0.5 E3D start at week 3.
Pct 3 days after..
Go with Cdaddys, GS, and Zewis PCT protocal.
Week 1 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
You may consider running 6.25mg EOD on Weeks 1-4 if you feel 12.5mg is too strong.

  • anon
 

the prop taper! AGREED!!! make sure he knows the right injection sites, proper rotation, and proper pin sizes as well as the limitations of the various muscles to handle injection amounts.

i never fully understood this until gs broke it down for me yesterday. Adex and Letro function similarly in how they manage e2, with Letro being the stronger of the two. because both of these AIs will release the bound enzymes once it is discontinued, it creates the potential for e2 rebound durng pct. for this reason, it should be tapered off while aromasin is introduced to avoid the rebound. but, if you have to buy both AIs, why not just stick with aromasin? it is a much better choice IMO.

here's an excerpt from one of GS's posts:

Aromatase Inhibitors come in 2 types. Type 1 and Type 2. First Type 1 AI's bind by a process called hydroxylation; this hydroxylation process produces an unbreakable covalent bond between the inhibitor and the enzyme protein. Now the enzyme is permanently blocked even after all of the inhibitor is removed and can only be resumed by new enzyme synthesis. Type 2 Inhibitors on the other hand function all the same in their ability to reduce the binding process of the enzyme and the receptor. Except once the drug is discontinued or the concentration of the drug is sparse enough it is possible for the enzyme to seperate itself from the Inhibitor and eventually will allow renewed competion between the Inhibitor and the Enzyme for the receptor site. Aromasin is a type 1 AI and once it does what it's purpose is we don't need to continue use. Letro and Adex are Type 2 Ai's and the success of those drugs are continigent on the Doses and protocol of which we use them.

you can read the rest of the post by referencing the link i posted further up.

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..also, just got my 23g x 1" pins in the other day. have done some research about site rotation, etc.. & have a good bro w/plenty of experience to help w/that part as well

  • anon
 

check out my reply below for the pin size recommendations. you need to go deeper into the glutes to get past the fat and into the muscle. 1.5" pins for glutes. 23g is fine. smaller muscles = smaller pins. delts and quads are not only smaller but closer to the surface. 1" to the max there. i recommend smaller gauges as well. see below for the reasons.

  • IbkillinEm's picture
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1" in the glutes is fine..not everyone needs an inch to reach muscle even in the glutes. 1" is safe because you can use six different popular sites.

  • anon
 

no bro. 1" drastically increases the likelihood for pip and knots. better safe than sorry

  • IbkillinEm's picture
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the "likelihood"? ok buddy..plenty of people/vets (on here) use 5/8"..are you speaking only about the glutes or are you saying one inch increases those chances for all muscles? I hope you are referring to glutes only..regardless, the reason it reduces "likelihood" is the same reason why it varies per person/body type..Not everyone needs a 1 inch pin for even the glute (I know it's preferred for glute, I'm just saying he will be fine)

  • MASSIVE48's picture
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It all depends how LEAN you are thats all..IMO

  • anon
 

You need to do a lil more reading bud. Those vets that are using 5/8" are doing so for the delts, quads, pecs, etc. not the glutes.