posted Mon, 05/04/2015 - 05:48
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
I've been training for about 12 years or so. Wrestling/boxing/MMA for quite a few of those years. Just past 2-3 years have started lifting hard/bulking.
Just looking to do a solid/decent first cycle, nothing too extreme. Looking to cut a little fat and gain a bit.
Have test e, var, nolva, clomid, adex on hand.
Reason wk 1 is 250, is that I did 250 this week. Decided I'd up it to 300 since 250 seems pretty week.
Suggestion on how I run adex, if needed?
Is that PCT enough or what would be your recommendations? thanks!
EDIT:
Forgot to add. I've been taking clen for about 10 days now(last day on will be tuesday the 5th),was doing 2 weeks on, 2 off, 2 on, 2 off. Should I do that on cycle, or not? Or does it really matter?
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Anavar | Clomid/Nolva |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 250mg | ||
| 2 | 300mg | 50mg | |
| 3 | 300mg | 50mg | |
| 4 | 300mg | 50mg | |
| 5 | 300mg | 50mg | |
| 6 | 300mg | 50mg | |
| 7 | 300mg | 50mg | |
| 8 | 300mg | ||
| 9 | 100/40 | ||
| 10 | 100/40 | ||
| 11 | 50/20 | ||
| 12 | 50/0 |
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opticxTry and get some equipoise if you can, makes you vascular as can be and will give you a little more appetite to put some weight on. The var is nice but id personally save it as a polisher on a longer cycle.
To short of a cycle to run any EQ. EQ should be ran for a min of 16 wks.
opticxMy bad brain fart here, forgot how short this cycle was. For me eq is well in effect by week 3
Clen and Var on his first cycle? I have no experience with Clen so i cant say if this is a bad idea or not but i always thought first cycle should be TEST ONLY.
To update, I haven't been taking clen. I took clen for the first week (I was doing 2on, 2off, and was already a week on, so they overlapped about 3 or 4 days after my first pin.). Have not taken it since.
Just posted a 4 week update!
Man up and take 250mg in each ass cheek, 3.5 days apart. Shouldn't hurt to bad, just REMEMBER TO ASPIRATE. By the way, pinning 500mg of test e at 250mg/ml would be 2ml, which either the quads or glutes would accept without a problem. The thing is we want to keep blood levels stable, this helps to minimize side effects. After you inject, your blood levels reach a "peak". According to the half life of the coumpound the trough will follow afterwards, where your testosterone blood levels are at their lowest. Our goal is the stabilize the blood levels, which keeps everything nice and neat in the body.
As for arimidex vs Aromasin, my personal opinion is that everyone should start off with Adex, as it's easier to dose and cheaper. Only if bloodwork shows that it is ineffective or not ideal, then Aromasin should be tried on the next cycle ( once again that is my personal opinion). I currently run Adex at .25mg E3D, which leaves my estrogen just in the middle of the reference range.
I noticed you said your diet was on point... Here's the thing. Eat. A lot. I eat roughly 6000 cals on cycle.
As for the anavar, assuming you tolerate te testosterone well, it wouldn't be horrible to throw in anavar for 4 weeks. I cannot advise this though, I'll stick with the 1 coumpound per cycle mentality.
Lastly, neither coumpound would really cause much bloating, it's estrogen that causes excessive bloat. Keep it in check, and you'll be all right. Do not forget to get mid cycle and post cycle bloods.
Just to update,
First week I did 250mg, upped it to 500mg last week. Everything has been fine. I haven't noticed any signs of gyno, do notice a bit of water I believe. Going to start Adex tomorrow .25/E3D and see how it goes. I am planning on going out to at least 12 weeks.
My question on diet, I'm not exactly trying to bulk as I'd like to lean gain... Right now I'm carb cycling around 2500-2600 calories... Not a ton, but I also work from home, sitting on my couch the vast majority of my day... So I'm not actually burning a ton. Would you suggest upping that get more effect from my cycle?
Also what do you suggest for lifting routine? I've recently switched to a PPL and I absolutely love it. But is there a benefit to doing one way or another?
Right now, I'm not taking the var... But I'm planning if everything goes good when I get my bloodwork done around week 4-5 to incorporate it.
This is how I would structure my diet for lean gains:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee%E2%80%A...
Thanks, when I did my first pin last week... I had no issues. Did 250mg into my left quad w/ a 25g. Literally no pain at all, granted I have a nurse doing the pinning so I'm pretty lucky there I think. Tbh scared as fuck of needles which is why I've gone so long w/o getting on something. Next day or two was a little tender/soreness but not much.
Will definitely go w/ adex, will start it with my next pin.
So even if I'm wanting to cut... you're suggesting just go hard and eat a shit ton?
I appreciate the advice from everybody, thank you again.
P2i2texcellent advice all round bro +
P2i2ta lot of the stuff I am repeating. But this is just the main factors I see they need improvement here.
I would first off drop the anavar idea and go with a test E only cycle. The point is to only introduce one new compound to your body at a time therefore if you experience any difficulties or problems you can pinpoint which compound is actually causing the issues.
the second thing is you should definitely extend this to at least 12 weeks. the reason behind this is because you honestly will not even start seeing results in the gym till about week 4 or 5 using the Enanthate ester. it takes some time, a few weeks, for you or blood serum levels to peak due to over lapping of the compounds half lifes, and until they start overlapping you have unsteady blood serum levels. and until those serum levels are steady due to overlapping, the major physical benefits of the compound will not show itself. therefore if you only run it for 8 weeks you will only get about three solid weeks of improvements after running a complete cycle. in my book that is not worth it.
PCT should be started 2 weeks after your last pin of the enanthate ester. I typically prefer to wait 18 days.therefore if you run a 12 week cycle, you would take weeks 13 and 14 off (while continuing to run your AI) and begin PCT on weak 15.
speaking about using in AI, did you plan on using one in this cycle?if so, aromasin or Arimidex? for a first time user I would suggest trying Arimidex first.I only say this because you only have to dose every third day compared to having to take it everyday, and in an ideal case with aromasin, it should really be taken in Split dosing a.m. and p.m. everyday, considering the half life of aromasin in men is only approximately 9 hours. *(I just reread and realized you have Arimidex on hand)
as far as dosage is concerned,I'm not completely sure how much 300mg will bring you in terms of results.although it is enough to put you anywhere between 2-3× the natural levels ( between 2000 and 3000 depending on body responds and quality of gear,when the high Mark of natural levels is only 1000) I am still not sure if only running that much will be worth it for you.I would personally run no less than 500mg in order to make my cycle worthwhile. but I like the fact that your thought process led you toward taking a smaller dose. just goes to show you are not out to try to jump into multiple compounds and high dosages on 1st and 2nd cycles like I have unfortunately been seeing around here lately.so think about upping it to 500 at least.
that should be the extent of my thoughts on this. Just make sure your macros and calories are on point. as we know that is more than half of the battle.good luck with this run and I hope you listen to some of this advice from people on here.there are some great links below that justanotherguy posted that you should definitely check out.
Just to update,
First week I did 250mg, upped it to 500mg last week. Everything has been fine. I haven't noticed any signs of gyno, do notice a bit of water I believe. Going to start Adex tomorrow .25/E3D and see how it goes. I am planning on going out to at least 12 weeks.
My question on diet, I'm not exactly trying to bulk as I'd like to lean gain... Right now I'm carb cycling around 2500-2600 calories... Not a ton, but I also work from home, sitting on my couch the vast majority of my day... So I'm not actually burning a ton. Would you suggest upping that get more effect from my cycle?
Also what do you suggest for lifting routine? I've recently switched to a PPL and I absolutely love it. But is there a benefit to doing one way or another?
Right now, I'm not taking the var... But I'm planning if everything goes good when I get my bloodwork done around week 4-5 to incorporate it.
(copy/pasted from my above reply... assuming this will prompt people with a notification of a new reply?)
Alright, I'm convinced. I'll push it out to 12 weeks. I'm gonna grab some more test this week and will start 250 twice a week. Unless its possible to do 500mg once a week? Is that too much to pin at once?
What would you suggest for the arimidex? .5 eod? Or ?
My diet/macro is on point, I've always been real solid on my diet when I need to be.
I was really wanting the var because of the hardening/cutting aspect. I'll leave it out for now, but assuming my first 6 weeks go good, would it be terrible to blast it for weeks 6-10?
My main concern is that I really don't want to get bloated through the middle of summer.
P2i2tI would personally do 250 twice per week in order to keep blood serum levels as even as possible.you could do 500 but it also might cause for some pip considering that is a lot of milligrams to do in one spot no matter who you are, let alone on your first cycle when your muscles are still virgin.as far as Arimidex goes I would run it every 3 days. You are not running a lot of test and to be honest may not even need it. But every 3 days as a support just in case should be perfect for you. If for some reason you start feeling signs of gyno such as itchy or sore nipples, then switch it to every other day.glad to hear your diet is on point. as far as being worried about bloating goes, it is really your diet and estrogen that is going to determine your water retention.if you are eating lean and clean and dosing your ai properly I would not be too worried about too much bloat. Not to mention the Arimidex helps to keep that at bay as well.I personally will not condone running var at all on a first cycle.but what I will say is somebody who is more experienced and wanted to throw it in later on in the cycle for a quicklast couple weeks 6 to 10 would be fine.I like that better than finishing up with it because you can run test for a couple of weeks afterwards in order to help solidify any gains it may have made.
Ok let's get started:
1) Traditional wisdom has it that the first cycle should be a long estered Tesostorone ( Enanthate or Cypionate) run at 500mg a week, for 12 weeks. Then two weeks after the last injection a 4 week long pct plan is implemented consisting of 100/100/50/50 mg of clomid for the 4 weeks, along with 40/40/20/20 mg of nolvadex. After which bloodwork should be done to see where your hormone levels are at.
2) Don't wait for issues to pop up to run your AI. I will include a link at the bottom on how it should be run. What should be kept on hand is Letrozole or a suicide inhibitor type AI.
3) 8 weeks might not be long enough to get the most out of our cycle. Consider extending it to 12.
4) About your dosing at 300mg/wk. I don't know for sure that it would be enough to call a cycle, it's just above what a TRT dose would be (200mg). I'll let a more experienced member chime in and advise you there. I will say that it is refreshing to see somebody taking a conservative approach and not just throwing in large amounts of AAS.
5) Add one compound per cycle. That means drop that anavar and save it for your next cycle.
Links I HIGHLY recommend you read, reread and understand. Also, next time post your cycle up before you start running it, this allows any flaws to be smoothed out before you hurt yourself.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-what-are-...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/the-differences-betwee...
https://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles/beginner-cycle-1-or-2-test-e-...
https://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles/beginner-cycle-2-or-3-test-e-...
1) I've got no issues extending this past 8 weeks. I only threw that out there because around the 9th week, I will be doing ectasy one night. Agree or disagree with that decision, it is happening. I figured it would be best to be off by then. I'd like to do 10 and cut it short there.
2) I read about the AI, I'll definitely grab some aromasin. So based on your links, the suggestion is running aromasin during cycle VS adex?
3) Again, I think I'd prefer 10 just to stay safe/conservative... but depending on how i'm feeling/looking around week 9, I may continue to 12.
4) My thought for 300mg/wk, was it keeps me right at the point where I won't be getting bloated/carrying a lot of water.
5) I do understand this, originally I only wanted to do var, but everything I read said don't do var by itself, be sure to run a test base. Ideally, that's what I'm wanting to do.
Forgot to address the ecstasy thing. Even if you were to drop the cycle at week 8, it would still be present in your system by the time you popped x. My advise, don't take it. But you're going to anyway, so make sure you have some damn close friends nearby to watch your back, keep your head clear as you can. Enjoy your night, but pay extra careful attention to your body's signals. If something goes wrong, call 911. You life is worth so much friend, so please take care.
Thanks for chiming in on this, you can say don't... but yes I will. I'll be off clen, and just test/adex shouldn't have my heart racing/blood pressure up. Will definitely keep watch on myself. Thank you.
Taking X on cycle you're heading for an early grave. Get your fucking head screwed on and don't be such an idiot. High e2 can put your BP through the roof and adding x into the mix isn't a good idea. If you're into recreational drugs that your business and to be honest it makes no difference to me what you do but you came on here looking for advice so here it is. Stay away from X if you're planning to run a first cycle. If you can't you're not ready for AAS and you will do yourself more harm than good.
BF% ?
Probably 15%? here is a picture taken about 10 days ago (Forgot to add, I've been taking clen, was doing 2 weeks, last day on till be tuesday)
http://i.imgur.com/o3o6bsm.jpg