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  • TropicanaJuice   •   Sat, Jan 12th, '13 15:57   •   32 replies, 1413 views

Cycle layout

WeekTestosterone EnanthateAromasinNolvadexClomid
1900 mg
2500 mg6.25 ED
3500 mg6.25 ED
4500 mg6.25 ED
5500 mg6.25 ED
6500 mg6.25 ED
7500 mg6.25 ED
8500 mg6.25 ED
9500 mg6.25 ED
10500 mg6.2.5 ED
11500 mg6.25 ED
12500 mg6.25 ED
136.25 ED
146.25 ED
156.25 ED20mg ED 100 mg ED
166.25 ED20mg ED100 mg ED
6.25 ED10 mg ED50 mg ED
6.25 ED10 mg ED50 mg ED

Description, concerns and expectations

Age: 21
Weight-220
Body Fat- 14%
Years training-7
Previous "cycles" - Mass tabs, Emass 3x, Epistane
EXPECTATIONS- This cycle I am aiming at lean mass. I would really like to gain about 15-20 pounds and lose maybe 1-2 % of bodyfat.
CONCERS- FIRST I want to start off by saying yes some might say 21 is too young, however I have put in countless hours of research, my diet, and training will be spot on, and I will make sure I have proper AI's, PCT on hand! ALSO I will be accompanied by a Vet who has done many competitions so I will be monitored by him to make sure everything is going well. I have Waited years for this day and Mentally and emotionally and physically I am ready to start my first cycle, no matter what age comment you may say, I am ready and I am going to start my first cycle. I will be DISCIPLINED and have everything in line.*****YES I recently had gyno surgery, therefore Im waiting well beyond when I can return to lifting, but my concern is that obv I am gyno prone so I need to make sure I keep my estrogen in check.

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  • Citrinite's picture
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  • Citrinite
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What are your goals? I'm just curious. Competing in bodybuilding shows? I know I might get flamed for this but... If your trying to go pro I'm just gonna say go for it. But if your trying to "Look Good" for women and bros then uhhhh please don't. I actually don't believe age has to much of a difference for when you start. If you have the proper mind set and dedication then you can go pro. Just because your young doesn't mean you wont have morals or dedication/discipline/responsibility. Everybody is different. Just at least make sure you get blood tests often (Everybody should). And even try and friend your doctor/family doctor.

BUT! Like other people have said we don't know who you are. And how much knowledge you have(Just like everybody else to not just you). Since this is the internet stranger danger everywhere. I'm not calling you a liar in anything or saying your telling the truth but all i'm saying is....If you truly think its for a good cause your gonna do it. Just be sure to have everything on hand. And to have extra cash just in case you need extra things or bloodwork OR if you have bunk gear.

But just ask yourself. Do you want to do this? Can you make something out of this? What if you fail? Do you have another plan? Do you think your gonna regret this? If you succeed though then it really doesn't matter what people say lol. Because remember... Haters are gonna HATE!

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I hear you man. And bodybuilding is something I have been in love with for years my goals are to compete in shows. And I'm gonna get bloods often I'm actually getting bloods done tomorrow for my pre cycle bloods.

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  • MAC
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Ya man I read what u said below on not jumping into a cycle too soon, I commend u if you can hold off. I'm letting u know right now, after u start getting huge, your gonna want to stay on. Remember what these guys posted here. Remember that you WANT to recover from this lol. Seriously TRT in your 20's would suck. I started at a very young age...only used test tho, did a few cycles...came out fine. I'm just being honest, even though I agree with sarge, the truth is I did cycles young and I'm fine. But I didn't stay on all year, if u do that you could shut it down permanently, or close to it. I've always wondered why its such a big deal younger guys get bitched at for cycling, because u could have two ppl one who is 21 and one who is 35... They both are tested before the cycle and both have natural test levels around 900 which is on the high side, so wouldn't it make it wrong for BOTH of them to do a cycle with such high natty test levels? I think ppl are taking this the wrong way, ideally, ANYone should get pre cycle bloods taken to see where they are at if its their first time, and go on that, not just age. But I feel like what sarge (and other vets) are trying to say, point blank, it's not just cause your 21 or he's 19 that we say that, it's because your young, and there's a strong possibility you won't have the same discipline and responsibility an older man might have, you could be in the college years going balls to the wall. At least that's why I personally would tell a younger kid to wait, because they might fuck themselves up. When it comes to doing a cycle 100% the RIGHT way, everyone SHOULD be ok, or so it says on paper. It's the recklessness that's associated with youth that makes older guys say no. Plus like sarge says, they don't wanna see u make mistakes they did. That's just my take on this subject, from what you have told us you seem to have everything planned and ready, I wish you the best of luck and remember- everything in moderation
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Thanks man I understand. I will have bloods done, proper cycle and plenty of time off and will be helped along by a vet. I also will have a great diet and training. I don't drink or do drugs at all and I will be very disciplined with the cycle

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Awesome bro. +1 for being smart about it

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that's some good input you gave, bro

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  • Anonymous
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good job here. plus one from me

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  • bradwilson
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1000mgs of test on a first cycle??
that's an extreme case of over kill bro.
first off you don't even know how badly you're prone to gyno,acne or anxiety issues with the use of anabolics

when you first start cyclng less is more.
the higher the doses the more side effects there will be
perhaps you're wanting for the test enanthate to take effect faster
instead of taking the dose up to 1000 mgs I think it would be much safer to front load with testosterone propionate

my recommendation is 150mgs test prop everyday for 2 weeks
then hitting the testosterone enanthate 500mgs split into two shots spread three days apart

hope this advice makes sense to you
best of luck

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There's actually a really good post about front loading test E, the sides are actually less because your blood leves are more stable, and at the end of the week it will only be 500 mg of test due to its half life. I don't want to take prop to front load because I have virgin muscles and am trying to pin as least as I have to, working on site rotation and getting use to the pip

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  • j223
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PCT must start week 15 or you will fail. You will continue to be suppressed if you keep it this way.

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Im gonna start pct 2 weeks after my last shot so at week 14, I messed up with the chart, do you know how I can edit it

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lol found it, its the big button that says edit haha

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  • Dulk47
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Bro as along as you do everything correctly you should be fine. I started when I was 19. Prob should of waited a couple more years, but I have had tests ran and I'm about as healthy as the next guy. I research about everything before I put any substance in my body. Shit I'm having my second child soon. Just be smart and train hard.

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& you're 47 now? What worked for you, might not work for this gentleman, as he's not you. You want to help educate kids on here. You can't tell me, the lifestyle didn't catch up w/when you hit your 30's, brother. For me it was 35. Your body doesn't care how smart you are. At least mine doesn't :/ imo, if you're gonna give this advice, Do so in pm...

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He could be out drinking like a fish and smoking till his lungs turn black. I think this is alot better alternative than doing any of that. Which I'm sure more than 90% of this forum has prob done what I just said plus more. SO DON'T try and be a bully just because you have a shit ton of points. He's going to do it whether u like or not. He said he has a seasoned vet watching out for him. He's done his research. I've seen countless guys on here twice his age just jumping into aas and they have'nt worked out a day in there lives but I don't see you jumping down there throat about it. I don't see a problem with him running a cycle at 21 and I'm obviously not taking this to pm.

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He could be out shooting babies too. But why go to extremes? Why not instead use this time to perfect his diet, technique, maybe his training, cardio regimes & properly develop into a man, both mentally & physically? I really wasn't being a bully. Just asking questions & telling my 2cents. If he's a bodybuilding legend in the making, that would be the only reason I could see him starting now. He's still developing both mentally & physically. I just gave my opinion you little shit, now fuck off. You're a moron. I just checked your profile. Talk to me when you're 35 kid. You let me know how you're holding up. You just showed that you don't have the proper (adult) mindset for this... A lot of the guys on here are trying to help kids not make the same mistakes they did. Myself included. There's more life to live than just next year young man. At 21 there is no way in Hell, he's perfected his training or diet, yet. The fact that he is still growing into the man he's supposed to be, should be enough for him to wait. Taking the time to mature into an adult, would be the way to go for him. Rather than trying so hard to become one, because he's special. Don't you wish you would have? If you some of my points, you can have them if they make you feel powerful or done shit? & I would jump down their throats as well, I caught it. I'm not god, dude. I can't be everywhere at once ...
Because as you become a man. You realize (most, realize this too late) that your real accomplishment in life isn't your job, or how much money you make. That your real home is not your house, or even your country. Rather, It's your body. It's a healthy mind & soul. Because those things, no matter where you are, your mind & soul will always live inside that same body as long as you walk gods green earth. Make taking pride, in how you present yourself. Being accountable for your actions (All of them) the top priority now. On your continued path to becoming a man. You should look at it like this. It's not that I'm trying to keep you out of the clubhouse. Or, take you away from something that's so awesome, or even prolong you from becoming a man. Rather I'm trying help better your quality of life. & to help you become absolutely your best. By trying to teach from mistakes I've made. Trying to instill in you some of the many things I've learned since I became an adult... When you do grow up. You're going to be filled w/more regrets than anything. Most men are. I know i have my share. The only difference is. Adult MEN, know life is too short to wake up each morning w/regrets. So we try to take a minute to think before we act. To think before speaking... You'll continually tell yourself, if I could go back & do such differently, things would be so much better. If only I knew then what I know now, Yada yada yada. Well sparky. I FUCKING KNOW! So glean some knowledge... What does it hurt?

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We can sit here and back and forth everyday for the rest of year. I'm just saying just because your older than soomeone does not necessarily mean you know more than a person younger than you. You don't know what they have been through. Were on the internet we have no idea really who is who on here. I'm just saying what I thought. I'm always wanting to learn.

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Sorry boss not trying to be a dick but SGT, KNOWS HIS SHIT MAN.

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Thanks man, I appreciate it the input. I will have bloods done, all of my ai's and pct on hand, and im under guidance from a Vet who knows what hes doing, competed many times and has been using for years

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  • OmNom
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If you want estro in check.. the half life on exemstane is a day so you dose it ED at 6.25-12.5 not EoD.. You're too young imo

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Thank you for information, much appreciated

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  • sgtstedanko
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Sigh! Big fucking sigh!
Imho, you're still too young kid. You're not yet a man. Trust me... Your life will be much fuller, if you properly mature, before starting gear. No shortcuts, brother... Bottom line. This is something you WANT. Not need. Max your potential out before turning to AAS. Get your mind right. You've got a few years yet...

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hey I here you man, but I really think I have maxed my potential, my diet is in line, my training is in line and I really need that edge. I dont think waiting say 4 years is going to make that much of a difference.

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No you don't! Don't bullshit me. Your mind is made up already. In one ear out the other... Truth is this. You will never know what your max potential truly is. You're so Hell bent getting bigger, faster, stronger, whatever reasoning you have. It's the improper mindset of an impatient child. This is something that can't be taught. You either have it, or You don't... Never give up. Until you just can't go on, period. Because when you don't quit, until you can't go one step further. Everything in life gets easier! That's what being a warrior's all about. Be physical. Challenge yourself, to draw out everything that you're capable of.that's what separates the real men, from the morons that slip through the cracks, only to fail later. I believe in you. Wait, pussy : ) I will wish you good luck, either way. God bless ~

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Thank you man, great post. I really do appreciate your input

  • anon
 

sorry bro, but you won't max your genetic potential until about 24-26. true story

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Do you have anything to support that, and as far as hpta axis suppresion there is actually studies shown that in rats, that have the same hpta structure as males, when the rats testosterone was supressed for 1/3 of their life, their testosterone levels actually came back higher than in rats in the same age that never had testosterone suppression. I think the most important thing here is not the age I am, but How long I take off before my next cycle. If I take the appropriate time off, I can recover properly. Im not going to be dumb and see great results and just want more and jump into another cycle too soon. 12 weeks Test E with proper ais and pct with plenty of time off I think I will be fine

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This was discussed during intro to endocrinology during biology. Then again during exercise physiology. Then again during science of nutrition. Outside of that, many publications available to you online. I am not near a computer or I would provide and excerpt and a reference link for you. This is a physiological fact my friend.

As for the studies with the rats... There are numerous studies using them as test subjects for various reasons. Mice possess some physiological similarities to humans, however, they also possess some dissimilarities. For this reason, after successfully reaching the objective with mice subjects, researchers then embark on clinical trials in humans. There are just as many unsuccessful studies that transitioned from mice to humans as there are successes. The point I'm trying to make is to not limit your research and conclusions to the findings of lab rats. Go a bit further and learn how the interactions take place with the human species.

It is your body.. I have a feeling that you're not going to change your mind about this. If there is any advice to be given here, it would be to not run AAS until age 24-26 (and I'm stretching it there by saying 24). I'd rather see you under the right person's wing tho and do it as safely as possible than to get the wrong advice and fuck yourself up more than necessary. My advice is still to wait my man.

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Ok, I wasnt coming at you by asking if you had any advice, I was just curious so I hope you didnt take that wrong. And I understand, but yes I will have everything I need and will basically be under supervision. Also I am going to take months off to recover properly

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i didn't take anything you said in a negative way. maybe you didn't ask me for advice per se, but you came to this thread for advice. that is the most solid advice anyone can give, what you do with it is entirely up to you. good luck brother