+ 13 DHB Boldenone BULK
After some thought and discussion my next bulk is going be based on DHB and boldenone. The discussion leading up to the design of this cycle can be found in this post.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/my-experience-wi...
After the initial glycogen load I would expect the weight gains to be primarily quality mass since there should be essentially zero water retention here. Not expecting huge jump in scale weight because of that but I will be keeping track of body comp to assess what is happening.
Big variable here is the boldenone dose so that is why the bold cyp is then to get a little quicker response with dose changes if needed than would be seen with EQ.
Cals will start out 500 above TDEE for first month or so and will be bumped up to 750+ once I feel the compounds are starting to peak. Later in the cycle when the metformin and adrol are introduced cals will be 1000+ above TDEE.
I'll be logging everything here on a weekly or bi-weekly basis depending on what type of changes I am seeing.
Decided to add in some HGH and IGF-LR3 into the cycle. Will work my way up to 5iu/d of HGH. The IGF will be taken immediately post-workout on training days, none on my days off. Really hoping for some hyperplasia with the GH/IGF combo. If anyone has some thoughts on a better dosing protocol let me know.
| Week | DHB | EQ | test Cyp | Provi | Adrol | Meformin | HGH | IGF-LR3 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600mg | 400mg | ||||||
| 2 | 600mg | 540mg | 3.33iu | 25mcg | ||||
| 3 | 500mg | 540mg | 3.33iu | 25mcg | ||||
| 4 | 500mg | 540mg | 3.33iu | 40mcg | ||||
| 5 | 500mg | 600mg | 4iu | 40mcg | ||||
| 6 | 500mg | 600mg | 4iu | |||||
| 7 | 500mg | 600mg | 5iu | |||||
| 8 | 500mg | 600mg | 5iu | |||||
| 9 | 500mg | 600mg | 5iu | |||||
| 10 | 500mg | 600mg | 4iu | |||||
| 11 | 500mg | 600mg | 3.33iu | |||||
| 12 | 500mg | 600mg | 3.33iu | |||||
| 13 | 800mg | 500mg | 50mg | 50mg | 3.33iu | 40mcg | ||
| 14 | 800mg | 500mg | 50mg | 50mg | 3.33iu | 40mcg | ||
| 15 | 800mg | 500mg | 50mg | 3.33iu | 40mcg | |||
| 16 | 800mg | 500mg | 50mg | 3.33iu | 40mcg | |||
| 17 | 800mg | 500mg | 50mg | 50mg | 3.33iu | |||
| 18 | 800mg | 500mg | 50mg | 50mg | 3.33iu | |||
| 19 | 800mg | 500mg | 50mg | 3.33iu | 40mcg | |||
| 20 | 800mg | 500mg | 50mg | 50mg | 3.33iu | 40mcg |
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Put on another 1.4lbs this week with a very slight drop in BF. So, scale is still moving in the right direction. 10.2 lbs in 3wks with a very slight decline in BF. I think I could have put some more weight on this week but but I ended up with a good case of test flu (I guess it would have to be DHB flu in this case). Stuff is giving me some pretty intense pip in my ass on about the 2nd day after pin which lasts for a few days or more. Kind of took away my appetite. I'm going to drop the bold cyp and increase my EQ up to around 600mg so I have more of it in the barrel to dilute the DHB and help with pip.
Towards the end of this week I really noticed a bump in strength. I was able to pump out a couple extra reps more on pretty much all of my lifts. Time to increase the weight to bring the reps back down into my target range.
I also started on 3.33iu/daily of GH along with 25mcg post workout of IGF1-LR3. That IGF has me walking around with an eternal pump. Getting back pumps just walking down to get the mail and my arm gets so pumped holding the phone up to my ear that I have to keep switching hands to keep my biceps from exploding.
TryHarder007Love hearing this brother! keep pushing.
Any special meals today youd like to post up? whats your pre workout meal looking like today!
just got a big pack from a buddy of mine with his sponsors supps, so im super excited to use his pump/pre workout its the best and really wakes me up!
Man, my knees are starting to snap, crackle and pop. It is either the -35 degree windchills or my estro is getting to low. Might have to pull some bloods early to see whats up if these old joints keep crackling like they are.
Have a read bro - http://mindandmuscle.net/articles/anabolic-steroids-equipoise/
Bold can convert to a potent AI in some. This happens to me. I had very low estro at 900mg of Bold Cyp with 600mg of Test and 50mg provi. Had to drop the provi all together to get my estro to mid range. If this is happening to you it's gonna be even worse given the no test. Just a thought but bloods will show what's happening.
I have ran bold up to 600mg before without having to adjust AI compared to just a test only cycle so I don't think it is converting into an AI. I just think it is the cold weather. Hasn't been above zero for a couple of days and -40 below windchills once again this morning
After the theory spread around - 600mg Bold should convert to as much estrogen as 300mg Test. This is the effect of those boldenone metabolites, they just lead to less estrogen production out of boldenone when compared to testosterone - they do not make bold to an AI.
The article I linked states - "boldenone is metabolized to 1,4 dienedione which is a potent aromatase inhibitor". That's what I was referring to. I have some very real life experience of this happening.
If you really test your estro - I would also like to know if the estrogen from ~400mg bold / week is not enough to balance 600mg DHB.
Apart from that - maybe the additional 8.6 lbs together with increased strengh do add to your knee problem.
I would still pin the igf-lr3 on your off days, even if its half dose. I cant scroll properly atm on ph, but be carefull if the eq and anadrol overlap together- the massive rbc increase will shoot you into hypertension, thick blood the fatigue, dizziness, nausia, headaches etc will follow keep an eye out for red hot tingling feet especially in the shower- tell tale sign its approaching and time to donate- baby asprin will prevent clotting but not thickening- igf-lr3 makes some ppl tired aswell so just be cautious when everything is in full swing, you dont want it creeping. Other than that good luck big brother im watching and might nibble up the same lr3 as you lol!
The plan is to get a donation in mid cycle so that should hopefully help things out at that point. I have the dbol in there as an option but like you mentioned I may scrap it. If my BP is looking good I think I'll run some but if it jumps then I'll drop it. If I am still making some good progress at that point in the cycle though, I may not even run it. It could just end up complicating things and ruining a good thing. Time will tell as the cycle rolls on.
Wk 2 did turn out to be a good one. Even better than wk1. Up an additional 4.6 lbs this week breaking last wks record. Skin fold pinches are the same as last wk so no fat gain. 8.6lbs in 2wks is pretty good with just long esters.
Started on the GH at 3.33iu a couple of days ago. Also starting the IGF now. Plan is now to start at 25mcg on workout days and adjust from there if need be.
No libido issues with the zero test in case anyone is wondering.
Have a feeling you won't have much of an issue with libido until much later if at all. EQ is not super suppressive and if libido has never been an issue it will take a long while to feel anything of an issue. Add in the Provi if needed to help. If that doesn't work then add in some Prop.
I think that each user depending on where they are in their journey ends up doing what you're doing and expirement some. Getting away from the cookie cutter bullshit and looking outside the norm to find their own way is critical in our development. Just remember to never forget the basics. When navigating unknown territory keep all of the status quo knowledge on hand and be prepared. Standard timeframes for bloods will help you navigate this. Having proper amounts of ancillaries and additional test compounds on hand goes a long way when having to make quick changes to you're program.
Can't wait to read more updates Sir.
I think after a few more weeks I should have a good indication if this cycle is going to take a turn for the worse or not. Hopefully it won't but I have everything on hand in case it does.
Alright, good work Makwa! I'd say lets keep it going but I feel it will slow soon (water and glycogen load). Happy to hear the calipers are not budging, good sign. Have you used IGF before?
Once this initial glycogen load is over then the weight that I do gain should be money in the bank since it should primarily be tissue gains instead of glycogen retention. That is what I am really looking forward for to see what those gains are going to be. Should be able to keep most of that. I am just surprised at how fast the inititial glycogen loading is occuring. I have never experienced this much happening so fast even when kicking with orals.
This is my first run with IGF so I am really hoping for some hyperplasia and then bulking those new fibers up with the AAS. It will also be interesting to see if bodyfat changes much with the HGH in the mix now also.
Up over 4lbs (4.2lbs) the first week. Didn't expect that much for the first week since no orals and only long esters but I'll take it. Recovery seemed a little better by the end of the week but that is about it. Good start so far though.
TryHarder007Boom Absolute KEY piece fellas. Ain't nothing better than recovery time getting better! Means more sets, shorter breaks, more blood and more frequent training sessions!
NIce, good start Makwa!
Normally I don't like to make assessments mid-week, but when my arms don't start fitting in my shirts anymore I couldn't help myself and had to take a peek at the scale. Hate to jinx myself but it looks like week two is on track to be another good one.
i love it when a plan comes together
excited to see what happens when the plasma build up hits the red zone..... i have my thoughts but i,ll keep that to myself for now.............. i see you are still having to deal with the rudimentary no test questions so i wont complicate the thread further at this stage.
TryHarder007I love even more when two hamburger buns come together around a thick 8oz patty..... Ummm mean yeah when a plan comes together ;)
Nah, go ahead and complicate it.lol At least I think I have a pretty good idea what is going on anyway.
I think alot of the talk about no test is hovering around concern for libido issues. I have a feeling that there may not be any issues with that or they will be very minimal since some of the EQ/bold is going to aromatize which should help keep my estro levels in normal range even though my total test levels may be low. With low test comes low estro and hence libido issues. There is little test left to aromatize to bring estro into an acceptable range.
I believe anyway that proper estro levels are essential for all this libido talk so even though I won't have any test to aromatize I will still have a portion of the bold that will be aromatizing to boost my estro and most likely keep my libido alive. So if I start to experience some libido issues I will check my estro levels to see where they are at. If on the lower end what I would like to do is actually increase the bold amount to get some more aromatization from it. I would like to see what that does first before introducing some prop to get the estro levels in range. I think estro levels are important to manage (probably more so in this case) to help with the lean mass building too. Maybe I am totally off base here but I would be interested in what you have to say.
What would sexual function be like on a cycle like this with no test?
Probably going to take a hit. I'm more interested in mass gains at this point than libido but if it gets to bad than I'll introduce a little prop at no more than a trt dose.
rocketballzDespite all the praise down below, I think having a bottle or two of prop isn't a bad idea at all. No test base is risky and I know ur trt now...Im not a BB'er so Im sure I look at it differenetly than you. I stick with test only and maybe an oral. Test is test and its produced naturally and I feel like that's the only steroid molecule my body already truly knows. Never done a 19 nor and don't ever intend to. I'm convinced based on what I've read on here that the nandrolone molecule, in all its forms, are the main culprit behind most on here on trt. Good luck with the run; DHB sounds sick. Btw...I know some dudes (Euros maybe? Lol) use EQ as their test base and you have that in there. Good luck man.
PS - if there's no test in this cycle what exactly will the provi do? It will bind to shbg but do all of these other ones bind to shbg too or will provi ultuimately free up other androgens, namely the ones you listed, because the shbg molecules are inhabited by the provi? Trying to wrap my head around this part.
Trying this test free since the DHB has such a strong binding affinity that it outcompetes the test for receptor sites and the test just ends up floating around and causing more side effects and not really contributing much to the overall gains of the cycle. This will be a very dry bulking cycle so basically after the intitial glycogen loading, everything from there on out will be keepable lean body mass. Some prop/tpp is on standby though if needed. I should know within the first couple of months whether or not this is going to fly without some test.
The provi is in their to hopefully add a little mood boost since I won't have any test. Will this happen without any test, I don't know but I will find out. I know with my trt it gives a pretty good spike so it will be interesting to see what it does with no test. Aside from that, it should be nice little hardener regardless and keep my dry if there is some conversion from the boldenone.
Lot of out of the box things going on here so I am real interested in what the results will be.
I like the addition of provi at week 8, idk if you did that by mistake or on purpose but it works. like ive said before gains tend to slow around that time, body gets used to the hormones and doses, myostatin levels increase etc and even with increasing diet and changing up training the gains dont come as fast as they did the first 8 weeks unless you change something and the easiest, and least harmful way to do so is by adding provi. That provi will cause a huge surge in free bioavaible testosterone so its almost like you increased your doses, but you really didnt. I found this out just by sheer luck. Promo came up, i was on cycle, never ran provi and decided to get some with while on promo, it just happened to show up around week 8 or so of my cycle when my gains were slowing down and i added it in and within a week the gains were explosive again. Just a good trick to have in your bag of goods. Youll like that bold cyp if youre getting it from who i think you are, im running the same stuff starting next week. I ran it a little over a year ago on a bulker and honestly never looked better in my life. Great cycle.
The metiformin, I have 100 or something of those just sitting in my stash, ive been wondering how or if i would/should incorporate them into a cycle. Never taken it before, whats your experience with the drug?
I really like this no test base cycle, middle eastern style, i hear none of the bodybuilders overthere use a test base they think its a dirty drug. I like seeing people running non cookie cutter type cycles like this one , and even more so people not saying where the hells your test base blah blah blah. I think next cycle im gonna run low test high anabolics, high npp low test or something of the sort. On another forum i used to frequent it was extremely common for smaller guys (you wouldnt be considered a smaller guy lol) to run low test with high anabolics, only the big big boys would run high amounts of test with their anabolics cause their body could actually use all the test, or for people to run no test and high anabolics.
Yea I intentionally put the provi in there at wk 8. I want to see how this goes running no test for a base. I wanted to add the provi later to see what kind of spark it would add later in the cycle. Thinking I might need a little mood boost come that time with no test so I wanted to see if provi would provide that. Time will tell. I have the option to add a little bit of prop if need be later on.
The main thing I am using the metformin for is to just help improve my insulin sensitivity and nutrient partitioning since I'll be consuming a good chunk of cals for a long time which could wreak havoc with my insulin. This way hopefully the majority of those cals will go into lean mass instead of fat.
This cycle is definitely going to be interesting I think.
Hey brother seen you mentioned metformin or glucophage.
Had a few buddies who were pre diabetes who use that stuff. .
Now one of the side affects itself I thought was possible resistance or sensitivity issues right. Does it help maintain glucose levels even if your consuming large amounts of food like that? I thought it was more for people who already had slight resistance or sensitivity issues ..
Few guys I wrote a cycle for a while back ran it, and swear it made the cycle slightly different as far as the macros they were taking in. Maybe the absorbing rate ? Nutrients uptake?
Have you used it in the past. Any additional information would be much appreciated.
You seem to know your compounds very well.
Let me know. Thanks
Pound down a lot of carbs/cals for an extended period and your insulin sensitivity will suffer. I like to reset insulin sensitivity with a mini-cut but I am really on a quest here for all out mass so I don't want to decrease cals whatsoever during this bulk. This is why I will be using metformin periodically to enhance insulin sensitivity/nutrient partioning instead of a mini-cut.