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  • EditDECA, TREN, TEST E, ANAVAR,MK677

  • overbog   •   Mon, Dec 19th, '16 04:33   •   23 replies, 769 views

Cycle layout

WeekDECATREN HTEST EANAVARMK677pregnyl ClomidNolvaArimidexDostinex
1300mg250mg25mg/day1000 U
2300mg250mg25mg/day
3300mg250mg25mg/day1000 U0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
4400mg250mg25mg/day0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
5400mg250mg25mg/day1000 U0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
6400mg250mg25mg/day0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
7400mg250mg25mg/day1000 U0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
8400mg250mg25mg/day0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
9400mg250mg25mg/day1000 U0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
10300mg250mg25mg/day0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
11300mg250mg25mg/day1000 U0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
12300mg250mg25mg/day0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
13300mg250mg25mg/day1000 U0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
14300mg250mg25mg/day0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
15300mg250mg20mg ED25mg/day1000 U0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
16300mg250mg20mg ED(day)25mg/day0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
17300mg250mg20mg ED25mg/day1000 U0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
18300mg250mg20mg ED25mg/day0.5mg EOD0.50mg E3D
19250mg20mg ED25mg/day1000 U0.5mg EOD
20250mg20mg ED25mg/day0.5mg EOD
21250mg20mg ED25mg/day1000 U0.5mg EOD
22250mg20mg ED25mg/day0.5mg EOD
2320mg ED0.5mg EOD
2420mg ED5000UI0.5mg EOD
2540mg ED5000UI0.5mg EOD
2640mg ED5000UI0.5mg EOD
275000UI100mg ED40mg ED0.5mg EOD
28100mg ED40mg ED
2950mg ED20mg ED
3050mg ED20mg ED

Description, concerns and expectations

Didn t started yet, i will start in about 1 moth,

Main problem so far is SARM supplier coz i didn t find a legit one for europe, still searching,

Also anti estrogen and prolactin i am not sure about what i will use

PCT also didn t know yet how it will end.

I will come with further updates,

If u have some oppinion i am all ears ;)

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  • overbog
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Started cutting 1 week ago, all good, lost about 1kg of fat(not on scale, on scale i lost about 5kg most of them is water and glyc)
Didn t cut calories drasticaly, i am on 3200 cal/day so far i am burning fat so i won t cut again until i hit plateau.
I will add photos before/after when cutting ends.
So far steroid cycle remains the same.

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  • MegaTRON13
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Are you on here as a joke!?!?! Why 30 weeks? You recover Hard and others?!?!? What the $&@!*%# is that supposed to mean? You're 26! Test e at 500mg for 12 weeks would be plenty, I bet I'd get far better results and not be anywhere near as shutdown as your sloppy cycle. SMH. Research, research, reseaech. Look at others cycles before trying to come up with some ridiculous cycle...

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  • unreal89
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Mk -677 is not a miracle must be ran for atleast 4 months to see any tendon joint help just fyi best ran for 6+ months i think guys below have you on the rest all horrible planning Pz out.

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  • Rustyhooker
  • 12 months ago

Trolling hard

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I'm not sure how you came up with this cycle, but I think you need to start over. Either you know way more than I do, or you have no idea what you just put together. I do know DECA for 9 weeks is a waste and then swapping to TREN is a bad idea. Too much going on for no reason, you'll come out flat. Best cycle is a simple cycle.

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Thank you for your reply,

Please tell me why is wrong switc from deca to tren ?
Also what is wrong going so long? Beside main reason about health, that i recover hard and others, purely how will affect bad my gains during this cycle if i go so long ?

From other people experience i learned that long cycle are better for keeping gains after(in my experience never had a longer cycle than 3 months)

Thanks

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  • PPGfreak
  • 12 months ago

Is this a joke?

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  • overbog
  • 12 months ago

I updated table, including PCT and all it needs.

I didn t said i will lose 5% in one month, i just said i am at 13-15 and i will probably be under 10 after 1 month, that is what i think and i will go hard to do it.

Tren or Deca shut you down even if u take 1 month or 4 months, still shut you down, hard and realy hard, i know that and i asume that.

Now i am gaining around 2kg/month clean, that means in 6 month 12kg, but for sure if i continue clean i won t keep gaining 2kg/month, i will hit plateau, so that is why i take gear.
I am not sure if i will gain 25kg in 6 months, but this is my goal and i will work hard for that.

U all say is crazy what i want, wtf is in my mind but nobody comes with arguments, what is the difference between taking deca 18 weeks , or only tren 18 weeks instead taking 9 week deca and 9 week tren.

I won t start cycle if i don t have all i need.

Is a long cycle but is not 6 months cycle, real cycle is 18 weeks,
the next 12 weeks is pct and working on keeeping gains and not lose a poud.

If i run 12 week tren+ test that i start pct will be to short period for my body to accept new weight so for sure i will lose a lot.

That is why is a "long" cycle, as in training and nutrition we use periodization why not to use same methods in using gears ?

I am not subborn, i am all open but i want to hear arguments not just saying that i am crazy, saying i am crazy is just your own oppinion, call me crazy but come with something solid and i will change my mind.

I didn t get this cycle from my ass, i am working on this cycle for over 2 months and now is allmost ready, for this 2 months i also work on training plan and nutrition plan during those 6 months, i ddidn t have a dream and next day i just wanted to make it happend.

Thank you all

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didn t said i will lose 5% in one month, i just said i am at 13-15 and i will probably be under 10 after 1 month, that is what i think and i will go hard to do it.

How is that not losing ~5% BF in 1 month?

Now i am gaining around 2kg/month clean, that means in 6 month 12kg, but for sure if i continue clean i won t keep gaining 2kg/month, i will hit plateau, so that is why i take gear.
I am not sure if i will gain 25kg in 6 months, but this is my goal and i will work hard for that.

That is all sound mathematically, but is not how any of this works in reality. The more weight you gain, the harder the next lb/kg comes and the harder it is to keep it. The further and faster you push away from what your body considers its natural equilibrium point when you start, the harder your body will fight to bring it back to that point. Most users experience a significant bump in weight after their first cycle ~8-10kgs, but not every cycle... especially not solid gains.

U all say is crazy what i want, wtf is in my mind but nobody comes with arguments, what is the difference between taking deca 18 weeks , or only tren 18 weeks instead taking 9 week deca and 9 week tren.

You have not provided any reasoning for taking both, let alone one over the other. Running a 19nor for that long makes recovery that much more difficult.

Is a long cycle but is not 6 months cycle, real cycle is 18 weeks,
the next 12 weeks is pct and working on keeeping gains and not lose a poud.

I don't know how to tell you this, but you are going to shed the weight after the cycle. How much will be limited to your PCT and your diet... but you will lose weight, all the water weight you put on will come off.

If i run 12 week tren+ test that i start pct will be to short period for my body to accept new weight so for sure i will lose a lot.

You will lose a lot regardless, it's part of the process. If you're losing most of your gains from cycles then your post cycle dieting is off.

I didn t get this cycle from my ass, i am working on this cycle for over 2 months and now is allmost ready, for this 2 months i also work on training plan and nutrition plan during those 6 months, i ddidn t have a dream and next day i just wanted to make it happend.

Have you ran these compounds before at these dosages? In terms of side effects, you're asking for trouble with your 19nor:test ratios...

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i used probably, that is my goal,

as i said too, that 2kg/month will not be for long term, works now because i changed some things but later i will hit some plateau, again that 25 kg is a goal, i don t think is something bag having higher goals, just make u push harder if u are left behind.

I take both because deca gives more gains than tren, but also deca keeps water, so
fist 9 week will be deca, during this period i will get a lot of water in body, cell will expand, expanding cells triggers anabolic stage, water also helps joints this is another thing that will help a lot, starting a steroid cycle means increase in strenght, increase in strenght but keeping same joints is not a good ideea(joints will also be helped by mk677 too), beside water deca gives a lot of gains, so in this stage i will gain the most.
second 9 week i will take tren, tren will flush water given by deca, will give me more solid muscle look(all those good things from tren), also tren will give a lot of gains, after 9 weeks body already starting to get used with deca, some change must happend.i know as long cycle is as long the recovery but doesn t means is imposible, is just harder.

for sure some gains will be lost, but as long as u keep body to a weight as bigger chances u have to keep more, 1 week for every kilo would be great, but that is improbable. water souldn t exist after i stop deca, test is too low to give me water, tren doesn t give water, anavar again doesn t give water....

i used before 5 week tren(200mg week)+7week anavar (60mg/day)+turinabolos(i don t remeber dosage, turinabolos i used with anavar and tren same time) (tren+turibanolos 5 week than anavar+turinabolos7 week), i made a lot of mistakes, i know them, i didn t use pc, i didn t use prolactin inhibitor didn t use antiromasin, didn t use nothig, i was at 88kg before, ended at 94kg, didn t lose nothing after cycle ends, after a month this cycle ends i took a break 2 months from trainings, than i lost 2 kg.
During this cycle didn t noticed shrink in testicles, libido was good, not the best but good, only side effect was mind issue, i was angry all time, this is why i am a little bit affraid this time on tren too, didn t do bloodwork so i don t know what realy happend that time.

I do bloodwork 1 month ago, all was good, prolactin, liver enzimes, testosteron, hdl ldl, lh, etc
I will also do a bloodwork before starting cycle, if all good than i will start, if not i don t start.
I will do bloodwork after 2 weeks on to check estrogen and prolactin, and see what realy dosage i will use for inhibitors.
I will do another blood work on middle, when i will start tren, that will be full panel.
And another bloodwork at the end of couple of months after to check how my body recovers.
I will also donate blood 2 times during cycle to keep red blood cell in good count.
I will check my blood presure daily (still need to buy this thing)

Products i intend to use from pharmacom, if u have a better ideea please let me know, main ideea is to ship in europe.

I tink that is all so far, i will try to do this cycle in the best and safer possible way.

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I take both because deca gives more gains than tren, but also deca keeps water, so
fist 9 week will be deca, during this period i will get a lot of water in body, cell will expand, expanding cells triggers anabolic stage, water also helps joints this is another thing that will help a lot, starting a steroid cycle means increase in strenght, increase in strenght but keeping same joints is not a good ideea(joints will also be helped by mk677 too), beside water deca gives a lot of gains, so in this stage i will gain the most.
second 9 week i will take tren, tren will flush water given by deca, will give me more solid muscle look(all those good things from tren), also tren will give a lot of gains, after 9 weeks body already starting to get used with deca, some change must happend.i know as long cycle is as long the recovery but doesn t means is imposible, is just harder.

I can somewhat understand this reasoning, I guess. Are you prepping for a show? My issue with this is it is somewhat an attempt to bulk & cut (in a sense) at the same time. Why not run deca through the whole thing, and then after enough time off run a cycle focused purely on trimming down? Another issue I have is running a 19nor for 18 weeks is a hell of a long time to be running a 19nor, and a 20 week cycle in general is pushing your luck with recovery... I know you've managed to recover in the past, but it doesn't appear that you've run anything as intense and long as this cycle.

Longer cycles =/= more gains. You will plateau eventually, and running gear longer will only manage to be detrimental to your health. I think you'd be better served running a shorter cycle, focusing on adding mass to your frame with less/different compounds, and an aggressive diet increasing in intake throughout, especially after you come off to maintain the gains.

for sure some gains will be lost, but as long as u keep body to a weight as bigger chances u have to keep more, 1 week for every kilo would be great, but that is improbable. water souldn t exist after i stop deca, test is too low to give me water, tren doesn t give water, anavar again doesn t give water....

Water will exist, because since you are pushing hard to bulk, you will be adding BF% onto the frame, consuming a high carb intake. Again, if you're trying to bulk & cut in the same cycle you're wasting your time. Try to focus on doing one or the other, and shorten the duration and change the compounds to suit. At your stats, you don't need to be running such an overkill cycle to get to where you want to be. Everything boils down to diet, and if your diet lacks, so will the gains. I managed to personally get to my peak weight over 260 on a simple sust+deca cycle, but spent most of my time and energy focusing on increasing calories and spreading out a constant feeding system throughout a 24hour period.

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Humble yourself and listen to these guys, they are just here to help since you asked for their opinion. It may not be the one you want to hear but it is the one you need to hear. The cycle is pretty out of whack, if you don't have your pct planned once you have your cycle layout then you are not experienced enough to run deca or tren in my opinion. Thats just me though. Unless you are on trt I wouldn't run cycles longer than 12 weeks unless you're running EQ or primo.

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Jesus H christ. What is wrong with these people? What the hell kind of a cycle is this? You can get the same, if not better results with higher test and anavar as a finisher. Why go to such extrememes as to take two 19nors at the same time? Do you want to never get a hard on agan? Or have children? Two 19nors is gonna shut you down hard, and I mean real hard. I see 5 compounds in there that may or may not be synergystic and then to run it for 24 weeks, aka 6 months, isn;t helping your cause

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  • 12 months ago

Goals +25 kg, actual bodyfat is 13-15% i will cut 1 moth before starting cycle so i will probably be under 10% of bodyfat at starting.

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WOW! Is it bizarro day?

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Goals +25 kg

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Goals +25 kg

WHAT!?!?!

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EXACTLY.. WHAT, WHAT??!!?? LOL...

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I think we need to hit him up for diet and training.. +25kg AND drop 5% BF in a month before even starting? sign me the hell up!

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  • 12 months ago

Priors? Goals? Why such a large stack? BF%?

You have no idea about PCT or AIs or controlling prolactin, but think running 2 19nor andros is a good idea?

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I have ideea about PCT, i just don t know yet how it will end, here is prety hard to find everything.
At the end of HCG i will use clomid, from other experience i noticed i didn t fully supress even when i used TREN alone(my libido wasn t crush and my testicles didn t shrink to much)

Prolactin probably i will use dostinex and arimidex for anti estrogen, but i don t know what i will use because acces is prety hard to this stuff here.

I am not runing both 19nor at the same time, why is bad that i use deca first and tren second instead of using only deca or only tren ?

Prior mass gain, i think i will gain about 25 kg in all cycle.
I use large cycle because short cycles restults in less gains after cycle ends, i also prefer to do 1 cycle of 5 months instead of playing with my test production 2 times/year 3 moths everytime.
Current bodyfat 13-15, i will cut before starting so probably i will be under 10%

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I have ideea about PCT, i just don t know yet how it will end, here is prety hard to find everything.
At the end of HCG i will use clomid, from other experience i noticed i didn t fully supress even when i used TREN alone(my libido wasn t crush and my testicles didn t shrink to much)

There is a PCT protocol we advise here. Use the search forum to find it. You will need both clomid and nolva.

Also, you didn't fully suppress from Tren? You have blood work to prove that? Your libido and size of your testicles tells fuck all about your hormonal levels.

Prolactin probably i will use dostinex and arimidex for anti estrogen, but i don t know what i will use because acces is prety hard to this stuff here.

If you can't find the stuff, then you shouldn't be using AAS. Theyre an absolute necessity to have on hand to use depending what your blood tests show.

I am not runing both 19nor at the same time, why is bad that i use deca first and tren second instead of using only deca or only tren?

Care to share your reasoning behind this? It's over your skill level from what I muster.

I also can't make heads or tails of the dosage for any of your compounds. List the durations and dosages out for me.

Prior mass gain, i think i will gain about 25 kg in all cycle.
I use large cycle because short cycles restults in less gains after cycle ends, i also prefer to do 1 cycle of 5 months instead of playing with my test production 2 times/year 3 moths everytime.
Current bodyfat 13-15, i will cut before starting so probably i will be under 10%

List all the cycles you've ever run, what compounds, etc. it's also a pretty lofty goal to cut 5% BF in one month. Are you assuming you will do this while maintaining your current weight? Cutting 1 month before means nothing since that is not your bodies equilibrium state at the end of it.