+ 7 Deca bulk
Pretty moderate cycle here I think. Will be first time running Deca for a bulk. Have used it previously for joint support at 150mg/wk before but never for a full on bulk. Have used npp before at a 1:1 ratio with test and no issues so I am going to keep this cycle pretty much a cookie cutter for running Deca for the first time. Usually I like running test at trt level and letting the other compounds do the bulk of work but not going to chance it with Deca.
I am starting the deca a couple weeks after the test just to make sure the test is built up before adding the deca. Provi is being introduced after test levels are peaking which is when I think it starts providing the best results. Drol is going to be pulsed around mid-cycle with a big finish of it at the end. I have always had great results with 50mg drol but I may actually try 75mg to see how it goes for a while and see if I notice much of a difference. Had great results with the GH/IGF combo last cycle so definitely putting it in this cycle.
I have been cutting pretty hard for almost the last 2 months to get primed for this cycle. Sitting around 190 and under 12% BF. Nutrient partitioning should be great now but I will be cyclic bulking for my diet to reset insulin sensitivity as needed to ensure I am putting on mostly quality mass and not a whole lot of fat. Hoping I don't have to do too many reset phases since I am relying on the IGF to help alot with insulin sensitivity.
The goal here is to put on 20+ lbs, hopefully most of it will be quality. If I can get above at least 215 (220 is what I am really shooting for) with respectable bodyfat then I will look at doing maybe my last show this spring/summer.
As far as ancillaries I be using .25mg E3D of Adex and have some caber on hand along with taking my usual liver supp of TUDCA. The one thing I may add to this cycle is some mast e (maybe 300mg/wk) to get a little more dht into the cycle. Any thoughts on this?
That is pretty much it in nutshell so far.
| Week | Test E | Deca | Provi | Anadrol | GH | IGF |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600mg | 3iu | ||||
| 2 | 600mg | 4iu | ||||
| 3 | 600mg | 420mg | 4iu | |||
| 4 | 600mg | 420mg | 4iu | |||
| 5 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 40mcg |
| 6 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg |
| 7 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg | |
| 8 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 4iu | ||
| 9 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 40mcg |
| 10 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg |
| 11 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg | |
| 12 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 4iu | ||
| 13 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 40mcg |
| 14 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg |
| 15 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg |
| 16 | 600mg | 420mg | 50 mg ED | 50 mg ED | 4iu | 50mcg |
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Well done sir.
Had to end cycle a couple of weeks early, BP was just giving me to much issues. Wasn't able to run the drol because of the BP issues so I was kind of bummed out about that since I respond really well to adrol. I maxed out at 23+ lbs so I actually hit my goal which was 20+ lbs for the cycle. Sure I would have had 5+ more pounds to that if I could have ran the adrol. Due to the BP issues I had to drop about 6 lbs to help it out so I just decided to bail on cycle. Still holding on to about 14-15 lbs heavier that start of cycle and been holding steady for almost 3 weeks now so I think I got a lean tissue gain of about 14+ lbs with the cycle. I'm happy with that. I'll have some reviews up for the sources in a bit. Going to start a little cut soon and get ready for next bulk this spring.
RustyhookerThat sounds like a huge accomplishment to me. Lean gains like that are gold.
yeah, at this stage of the game I think it is pretty remarkable.
Having now run multiple bulkers with DHB, how would you compare your results from deca? Advantages disadvantages? It sounds like you may have had more water retention and BP this time around from the deca.
Results wise I would have to say this cycle was just as good as my last bulk with DHB/EQ. Pretty similar results. This issue I had this time was with the blood pressure. I was on EQ and drol which raises my BP but not near as much as it skyrocketed this cycle. Is Deca the culprit? I don't know You would think the EQ/drol combo would have skyrocketed it but it was nothing compared to this cycle. Suppose I'll have to run Deca again to see if it is the culprit.
If comparing a test/DHB run to a test/Deca run I would have to say the Deca run would be the winner for sheer bulking but add some EQ into the DHB run and they are neck and neck. I think there is quite a bit more water retention with the Deca run though. I was quite a bit smoother with it whereas DHB keeps things tight and vascular but in the end the net result of muscle is about the same.
Up 18 lbs now. First I get over bronchitis and now dealing with a sinus infection. On my second course of antibiotics. Has made it real hard to eat the last couple of weeks and just general overall shitty feeling. Got three days into a run of adrol and had to drop cause it felt like my head was going to explode. With all that is going on surprised I haven't dropped weight so that is a good thing I guess. Going to have to buckle down to make this 25+ lbs a reality.
RustyhookerThe cough has been kicking my butt for a month. Get well soon!
This is setup like my old cycles I used to run. One of the best cycles out there. My mg’s were a bit different/Higher. I would bump up your GH 8-10iu’s per day. I didn’t hold much water on my cycle. The igf as long as it’s from a good source will really help you out should really grow. Just make sure your eating clean and counting grams. I wouldn’t even throw in the mast. Don’t be concerned about holding water I know “you” keep close tabs on things. Keep us updated! Best wishes!
RustyhookerGood to see you back!
I am really trying to bump up my GH. Last cycle I couldn't get above 4iu or my hands would be so numb I couldn't grip the bar when I worked out. I'm up to 5iu now with no issues so I will keep pushing it. If I can get it up to 8+ I was then thinking of adding in that other compound to get that triple whammy with the GH and IGF. Going to bump up the IGF to 50-60mcg next week and see what happens.
What igf u used bro ? Same brand like somas
Yep, same brand.
What igf u used bro ? Same brand like somas
If your sides are that bad then stick to what your doing. I’ve had to back off before due to the same reason. I didn’t realize thats why you posted that dose.
basskiller89Looks good brother
I'm considering hopping on HGH long term possibly within the next couple years. Looking to incorporate something in the range of 2-4IU daily for anti aging purposes. Any feedback on your HGH use?
Do you run peptides or HGH if I may ask?
2-4 daily is a good range to start out. Due your research. Anti aging this product is great of course if your over the age of 40 Lol.
basskiller89Thank you brother
Yea, I was considering peptides in that dosage range. My hopes for this would be to increase recovery time and help keep elasticity of my skin as I age. I am only 28 and will most likely hold off until at least after 30 or so
If your just looking for anti aging purposes you can hold off another 10yrs after 30.
basskiller89Yes, I'm not looking to grow muscle from the HGH, just stay tight
Only time I run GH is when I am on cycle. I'll sometimes start a couple of weeks before cycle so that when cycle hits I can ramp up to 4-5iu right away instead of ramping up during cycle. I think using low dose GH for old guys like me for anti-aging purposes has some benefits off cycle but I just don't like dropping the cash for the little bit of benefit it may provide so I just save it for blasting when on cycle. For young guys I really see no need to be running low dose GH off cycle. They should have plenty of GH pulsing already. Different story for us old guys though.
With my metabolism being sucky now that I am older I have found that the GH helps to keep me leaner when I am bulking. Allows me to eat more cals without getting fat which seems to translate into more muscle growth due to the additional cals it allows to me eat. 4ius seems to be working fine. Once I start getting above that my hands start to get to numb and it affects my workouts and sleep. I am going to once again try to creep up to 5-6 iu this cycle and see if that makes any difference. Been at 5iu for a little bit now with no numbness so I'll see how it goes.
Only pep I have used is IGF-LR3, at least I think it is considered a pep. Every cycle of mine now will always have the GH/IGF combo. I have a ran few cycles and getting 10lbs out of cycle I consider a success after a while. Now with that combo I am hitting 25+ lbs last bulk and already up 17 lbs this one and just getting started. Another 25 should be possible which is kind of unheard of at this stage of the game.
My goal is to work diligently to keep my connective tissues healthy enough that I’ll never need HGH at all, even in old age. Is this reasonable or is HGH more or less inevitable as the years tick by with nonstop resistance training?
My joints and everything else still hurt even when on GH so I really don't know of its benefits with connective tissue and whatnot. I primarily use it for the fat loss benefits and the synergistic effect it has with AAS and IGF. Nothing better than 1+1+1= 6.
At 43 years old, I also get no improvement in joint issues with GH. I don't run test off cycle (I still PCT) but I am considering it in the near future (am all done with kids..3rd on the way..) because that is the only thing which seems to help with my joints. Even adding NPP (have run anywhere from 250 to 500 a week) doesn't do much in that regards. A low dose (150 to 200 mg a week) of test seems to be enough to lube up my joints. GH is so dang expensive, even generic. I am running IGF lr3 right now in my PCT and it is helping with keeping the muscle on and keeping the fat off.
Really curious about something: have you ever met a fellow competitor who built an astounding physique without ever using HGH and IGF?
No. Lol sorry Makwa hit it on the head down there.
Some at local smaller shows that haven't used it. Get into the bigger shows and national qualifiers and then it is how much and not if you use it.
basskiller89Thank you for the input
It's great you're having such positive results, I wish you continued success
I'm only 28, I may hold off a few years before considering the GHRT route
I also have used GH, but in the form of peptides for only 1-2 months at a time on cycle
RustyhookerHows cycle treating ya?
Up 17 lbs. Seems to be all dry. No bloat happening. Glycogen retention is huge. Shaping up to be another really good cycle.