Very good point!

But I'm not so much concerned with bloat during the majority of my cycle just like switching from the dbol heading into the back half of the cycle.(just a personal thing really) and prefer not to carry around that much access weight (via a lot of water retention) for too long as it isn't too friendly on my knees, joints and back.

Also, I have utilized both dbol and tbol and my body responds a lot better to the dbol.

Thanks again for you input, it is always appreciated!

Thank you for the reply! The base of this cycle (Sust/Tren/Dbol/Ancilliaries) was actually designed by my prep coach (very well known so can't mention his name for obvious reasons) and he too did recommend adding in hgh with the igf to go with the rest here.

The var is being utilized after a 2 week break from orals (during which time I will be pulling bloods to check on everything) and giving my system a nice little break from orals. And to be honest I like switching up the orals from either dbol or drol to var or winny on the back side of my cycle to start bringing down the slight bloating I see when utilizing the drol/dbol.

The var addition is not 100% yet though, so please let me know your feelings and feedback on the dbol run in terms of length and mg etc and whats worked for yourself as well as what (if anything) you'd recommend on the back end in place of the var.

Then Tren addition (while being recommended in this cycle by my coach) is because tren is the #1 compound I respond the best to of all anabolics, and backs on the lean tissue like no other for myself personally. However, I am definitely open to hearing why you personally recommend keeping it out of this current cycle.

And you are ABSOLUTELY correct about the synergy between the hgh and igf. However, the cost is a huge factor and for me it was basically about weighing the options and for what I am looking to accomplish the IGF only will have to do for now. Furthermore, I am very lean and hold low body fat naturally so for the low dose of growth I'd be able to afford to run it made more sense for me to utilize the IGF which would hit more of the target areas that I personally could benefit more from with my body type etc.

With that in mind, would you suggest I instead run a lower dose of IGF with a low dose pharm growth as well? That option crossed my mind but I ultimately decided against it because again the only benefit I feel as though I would receive from such a low dose of growth would be the increased fat loss, improved sleep quality, and other minor "anti-aging" benefits rather than any substantial hgh induced hyperplasia.

Thank you very much for your input Makwa as it is greatly appreciated and please don't hesitate to give me any more tips etc in the future as you seem to be VERY experienced here on the boards!

No I'd absolutely like and appreciate all comments! I'll throw my pride to the side in a heartbeat to look at various strategies (with supporting data etc) and critiques.

I apologize if my comments came off that way, I can always use more advice and I know that there are MANY more experienced users out there whom can give me more insight.

Thank you for your coment Vhman and I appreciate you keeping it REAL with me.