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  • EditCurrent 14 Week "Lean" Bulker

  • GainTrain04   •   Wed, Jul 18th, '18 16:35   •   12 replies, 585 views

Cycle layout

WeekSustanonTren EDbolAnavarAdexIGF-1HCGNolvadexClomid
1250mg30mcg/ed
2500mg200mg30mg/ed.5mg/e3d30mcg/ed
3500mg200mg30mg/ed.5mg/e3d30mcg/ed
4500mg400mg30mg/ed.5mg/e3d30mcg/ed
5500mg400mg30mg/ed.5mg/e3d30mcg/ed
6500mg400mg30mg/ed.5mg/e3d
7500mg400mg.5mg/e3d
8500mg400mg.5mg/e3d30mcg/ed
9500mg400mg50mg/ed.5mg/e3d30mcg/ed
10500mg400mg50mg/ed.5mg/e3d30mcg/ed
11500mg400mg50mg/ed.5mg/e3d30mcg/ed
12500mg400mg50mg/ed.5mg/e3d
13500mg200mg50mg/ed.5mg/e3d
14250mg
15500iu/ed
16500iu/ed
1730mcg/ed40mg/ed100mg/ed
1830mcg/ed40mg/ed100mg/ed
1930mcg/ed40mg/ed50mg/ed
2030mcg/ed40mg/ed50mg/ed
2140mg/ed50mg/ed
2220mg/ed50mg/ed

Description, concerns and expectations

My current 14 week "lean" bulk cycle (The lean comes from proper diet don't be fooled by lean and dirty bulks due to compound changes fellas!)

Compounds Used:
Sustanon
Tren E
Dbol
Anastrozole (Prescribed)
IGF-1 30mcg/daily (Prescribed)
HCG (Prescribed)
Nolvadex
Clomid (Prescribed)

Caber is also on hand in the case of any prolactin issues (though I rarely experience)

In my personally experience over the year, I have had zero problem rebounding WITHOUT THE USE OF HCG during cycle in a cycle longer than this one but I understand everyone's bodies are different and the various compounds utilized in a cycle also can play a factor as well.

ALL feedback and comments are MORE THAN WELCOME guys!!1 Thank you in advance for your input!

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  • romchik88's picture
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  • romchik88
  • 11 months ago

if your concerned about bloat why not use tbol instead of dbol?

  • GainTrain04's picture
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Very good point!

But I'm not so much concerned with bloat during the majority of my cycle just like switching from the dbol heading into the back half of the cycle.(just a personal thing really) and prefer not to carry around that much access weight (via a lot of water retention) for too long as it isn't too friendly on my knees, joints and back.

Also, I have utilized both dbol and tbol and my body responds a lot better to the dbol.

Thanks again for you input, it is always appreciated!

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  • Makwa
  • 11 months ago

I really don't see the purpose of the var or the tren for that matter. I would stick with the test/dbol. The addition of the IGF is nice but I would also be running it with GH for the synergy.

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  • GainTrain04
  • 11 months ago
  • @Makwa

Thank you for the reply! The base of this cycle (Sust/Tren/Dbol/Ancilliaries) was actually designed by my prep coach (very well known so can't mention his name for obvious reasons) and he too did recommend adding in hgh with the igf to go with the rest here.

The var is being utilized after a 2 week break from orals (during which time I will be pulling bloods to check on everything) and giving my system a nice little break from orals. And to be honest I like switching up the orals from either dbol or drol to var or winny on the back side of my cycle to start bringing down the slight bloating I see when utilizing the drol/dbol.

The var addition is not 100% yet though, so please let me know your feelings and feedback on the dbol run in terms of length and mg etc and whats worked for yourself as well as what (if anything) you'd recommend on the back end in place of the var.

Then Tren addition (while being recommended in this cycle by my coach) is because tren is the #1 compound I respond the best to of all anabolics, and backs on the lean tissue like no other for myself personally. However, I am definitely open to hearing why you personally recommend keeping it out of this current cycle.

And you are ABSOLUTELY correct about the synergy between the hgh and igf. However, the cost is a huge factor and for me it was basically about weighing the options and for what I am looking to accomplish the IGF only will have to do for now. Furthermore, I am very lean and hold low body fat naturally so for the low dose of growth I'd be able to afford to run it made more sense for me to utilize the IGF which would hit more of the target areas that I personally could benefit more from with my body type etc.

With that in mind, would you suggest I instead run a lower dose of IGF with a low dose pharm growth as well? That option crossed my mind but I ultimately decided against it because again the only benefit I feel as though I would receive from such a low dose of growth would be the increased fat loss, improved sleep quality, and other minor "anti-aging" benefits rather than any substantial hgh induced hyperplasia.

Thank you very much for your input Makwa as it is greatly appreciated and please don't hesitate to give me any more tips etc in the future as you seem to be VERY experienced here on the boards!

  • Makwa's picture
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You shouldn't need any var to bring down any bloat from dbol. Quit the dbol and water it provided will drop also. Trying to run an oral to compensate for that really doesn't make sense. Really no need for var in a bulker either. I would swap the var out with provi instead for last half of cycle

I like tren better as a cutter than bulker. When bulking I think you are better off sticking a wetter compound like deca or running higher dose of test solo with maybe something like dbol or drol if the dbol doesn't treat you well. EQ is pretty good also. If tren works for you when bulking though I guess just go with what works.

You really missing out on the opportunity for some fantastic gains if you don't run any GH with the IGF. If you can't afford to run GH with your IGF I personally would save the IGF for a cycle when you can combine them. It is so much better when they are combined that it should be a no brainer to combine them. Skip the var and spend it on growth. I would be hitting at least 5iu GH with 40mcg IGF. Every bulk of mine from here on out will have that combo. Night and day difference.

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  • GainTrain04
  • 11 months ago
  • @Makwa

Thank you for the response Makwa!

Yes you're correct, I don't need the var to bring down the bloat. I know that the water weight gained due to the dbol usage will subside when the dbol is discontinued. I'm sorry If I misspoke there but I wasn't meaning the anavar would do anything at all to combat the dbol bloat, what I was suggesting was that once I stop the dbol and give my body a little break from the orals there for a few weeks I like adding in a "drier" oral towards the back half of my cycle at times. The reason I choose var over any other dry oral is my body responds amazingly to it and to be honest I absolutely LOVE the pumps I experience. You are 100% correct though, proviron would be a nice substitute towards the back half of my cycle, very good food for thought for me and I will keep that in mine as I have ample amounts of both compounds at my disposal. lol

I also agree with you that it would be ideal to utilize a wetter bulker like deca and personally I ran deca before. However, deca and I just don't get along AT ALL lol. Eq honestly would be a very solid substitute but for this go around and I debated for a while on whether to use the tren or eq but ultimately tren who the battle this time (based on my coach's recommendation and knowing how well my body responds to it)

As for the hgh with IGF responses, I have ZERO to say to that at all my man accept that you are 100% right!

However, I have utilized MK-677 (LEGIT not faked crap) and got very similar results as I did when utilizing low dose hgh for a fraction of the cost. What are you thoughts on maybe adding in some MK-677 with the IGF? Would you estimate that it may produce similar synergistic effects as the hgh and igf would?

Thank you again for all the informative feedback and for taking the time to reach out!

  • Makwa's picture
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I tried some Mk once but was really unimpressed. Maybe bunk who knows but I would put it nowhere near on par with actual GH.

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  • GainTrain04
  • 11 months ago
  • @Makwa

Gotcha!

Thanks again for all your input!

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  • vhman
  • 11 months ago

Yikes. From your comments, sounds like you’re not looking for any advice. Good luck with whatever you’ve cooked up.

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  • GainTrain04
  • 11 months ago
  • @vhman

No I'd absolutely like and appreciate all comments! I'll throw my pride to the side in a heartbeat to look at various strategies (with supporting data etc) and critiques.

I apologize if my comments came off that way, I can always use more advice and I know that there are MANY more experienced users out there whom can give me more insight.

Thank you for your coment Vhman and I appreciate you keeping it REAL with me.

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  • PPGfreak
  • 11 months ago

To many negative things to say..... not even sure where to start

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  • lavonokune
  • 11 months ago
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