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  • EditBig bulk cycle sust decca adrol ?

  • bigmurph   •   Wed, Feb 15th, '17 04:06   •   33 replies, 1469 views

Cycle layout

SustanonNandrolone DecanoateAnadrol Proviron Aromasin Caber Hcg
1500mg400mgs 40mgs split 50mgs split
2500mgs 400mgs 40mgs split 50mgs split
3500mg400mgs 40mgs 50mgs -100mgs 12.5eod
4500mg400mgs 40mgs 50-100mgs 12.5mg eod.5 2x a wk
5500mg400mgs 40mgs 50-100mgs 12.5mg eod.5 2x a wk
6500mg400mgs 40mgs split50-100mgs12.5mg eod.5 2x a wk
7500mg400mgs50-100mgs12.5mg eod.5 2x a wk
8500mg400mgs50-100mgs12.5mg eod.5 2x a wk
9500mg400mgs50-100mgs12.5mg eod.5 2x a wk
10500mg400mgs.5 2x a wk 50-100mgs12.5mg eod500iu e5d
11500mgs 400mgs.5 2x a wk 50-100mgs12.5mg eod500iu e5d
12500mgs 400mgs.5 2x a wk 50-100mgs12.5mg eod500iu e5d
13500mgs 400mgs.5 2x a wk 50-100mgs12.5mg eod500iu e5d
14500mgs 400mgs.5 2x a wk 50-100mgs12.5mg eod500iu e5d
15500mgs 400mgs .5 2x a wk 50-100mgs12.5mg eod500iu e5d
16.5 2x a wk 50-100mgs12.5mg eod500iu e5d
17.5 2x a wk 50-100mgs12.5mg eod500iu e5d
18Clomiphene Nolvadex 100mgs 40mgs
19100mgs 40mgs Wk2050mgs20mgs
Wk 2150mgs 20mgs

Description, concerns and expectations

200lbs give or take 2+or2- given a day
5'10
13%bf as of now I believe that I will be 11-12% when I start this cycle.

I plan on running what is supposed to be the best bulking cycle. Im going to use sustanon 250mgs original blend pharma grade with Nandrolone Decanoate 200mgs some pharma grade some ugl.
I am putting this up to get some feedback on the mgs I should use. I want to run it as a heavy bulk if I put on 30-40lbs im good im just going to cut hard after and let the gains i made come out. I was looking to run 750mgs of sust 250mgs 3x a wk with 600mgs of Nandrolone Decanoate 200mgs 3x a wk. I will add dbol or Anadrol im pushing more towards the Anadrol. I wouldrun the Anadrol at 25mgs 2x a day or maybe even 20mg 2x a day. If it were dbol I would just use20mg- 30mg pre-workout this is how I have run mydbol and it has been the best way for me. I will also use Proviron 50mgs a day split or up to 100mgs a day split it depends on how much water and how my bloods turn out. I will be using aromasin as my ai I have only needed to start aromasin around wk 5-6 when I start my hcg but I believe that I will be running it starting wk 3 and at 12.5 eod. I know some are going to say I should take it ed split but I have tried this and it was the only time I ever crashed my estrogen. I take Proviron and it can keep my estro down so eod is what I will do. I of course will adjust once blood work is done. I will also be running pharma caber at .5 2x a wk this is a good dose i have extra just Incase I need to take it higher. I run hcg for the last 8wks at 500iu e5d right up until pct starts i also run my Proviron and aromasin right up until I start my pct is a pharma grade standard protocol of Clomiphene and Nolvadex.
So my question to the community is do I run at 750mgs on the sust and 600mgs on the Nandrolone Decanoate. Im torn on this i think that I should run 500mgs on the sust and 300mgs on the decca. I want to get the most out of the compounds last time I ran sust was a longtime ago and I ran it at 500mgs. I had good results i believe that I could have had better if I had eaten like I do now this is where im hesitant to run at 750mgs. I could run at 500mgs less sides and just run my better diet that I eat now to achieve the gains or do you guys think that now that I have more cycles under my belt its time to take it up to 750mgs and eat a great diet and reap the rewards.
Now on the decca I will be honest I see 600mgs as a lot I think that 400mgs a wk will be enough. I have never used Nandrolone with the deconate ester only as npp and I run npp at 450mgs a wk. This is another spot where I would like some opinions is decca better suited at 600mgs or at 400mgs in this cycle. Im not using it for justjoint relief im running it to achieve the growth that I want to achieve in this bulk. Which do you guys believe would be the better way to run it?

My diet is
Macros
20/40/40
Protein 300mgs-400mgs I have trouble getting 400mgs down every day so minimum is 300mgs but there are days that only get 250mgs +

Fats usually in the area of 60-70g

Carbs fluctuate I will take in on some days as much as 200grams but I don't usually get that much I eat alot of protein. Carbs are mainly my vegetables and I use alot of tortillas and wraps in my diet. There are of course other foods that I get carbs from but carbs and fats usually just surround my protien intake. I would say that 150g is closer to reality.

My training is 5 days a week full routine and 2 days a week with a light routine. I will use my heavy days rotating muscle groups and my light days to fill in the areas in which I believe need more work. As an example my light days lately have been my forearms and my core.

I would really like to hear from guys that can tell me how there cycle of sust and decca went and how they ran it. I would also like to hear any feedback on the numbers which I plan on running. Also if anyone believesthat my diet needs to be changed for this cycle im very interested in that I always believe that the diet is what makes the cycle.

I wanted to add 2 more options that I was thinking about.
1 is should I kickstart the cycle with 300mgs a wk of npp for the first 3wks while the decca is getting into my system. I have been kickstarting my cycles with test prop so I was wondering if anyone has ever tried kickstarting with npp.

2 is i have a vial of mast prop what does everyone think about using the mast prop for the last 20 days at 100mgs eod. Does anyone think that this would be beneficial or just a waste.

Thanks for your time brothers

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  • Pmob
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Ouch

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You may want to run NPP along with your Decca .. run the NPP for 5 weeks the discontinue, I like this method because it gives you the instant effects of decca that first 10 days while the longer ester is building up in your bloods to a stable level . Also you may have better results at 600 a week on Decca but you can always start low see how you respond and adjust accordingly .

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I was thinking about using npp as a kickstart like that or just scrapping the decca and using npp straight through at 450mgs a wk.
If I do run decca im still torn about 400mgs or 600mgs starting low then I could always up the dose to get more bang definitely makes sense.
I want this to be a big bulk so 600mgs is tempting I just don't know if it will be to much for me.
I appreciate the feedback brother i value your opinion

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Go higher on the Deca an starting with npp is good too. 1mg of caber is way to much even with a gram of Deca. Won't do any harm ( actually pretty nice for sex)but def not nescessary

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I'm not a 19nor fan, but I think your cycle layout looks good. I'd hit the sust m/w/f. If you did that it would make npp an easy compound to thrown in there over deca. I just recently ran drol and loved it, my bp did get high so I couldn't pulse through my whole cycle! Good luck bro

By the way I love to throw in mast prop either mid cycle or at the end to harden up some of those gains. I think that's a great idea!

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I was thinking about npp for that reason mwf is my inj schedule for npp so it would work perfectly with mwf sust inj.
I've never used mast always been worried about the strong dht effecting my hair line but its definitely something to think about thanks for the feedback much appreciated

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750 sust and 400 deca is plenty. Then if you're pulsing drol....

Watch your bp. Keep it simple. Bloods will guide you. Might keep estro lil higher than the 20-50 posted. At least towards the 50.

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Definitely agree i like to keep estro between 50-70 max its a good spot for me.
What do you think about running npp over decca. I know that you like npp also?

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This is the best bulk cycle but I don't like deca anymore . I used npp instead of deca but to be honest don't give same result as deca but in the other hand getting out faster , but is it ok 500 mg sust per week with 400 mg deca , 500 mg sust including the short ester , in fact stay like 300 mg long ester woth 400 mg deca .

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I've thought alot about it it seems like im going to go with npp at 450mgs mwf and sust 750mgs mwf.
I appreciate the feedback im still deciding so I like hearing everyones outlook.
Thanks brother

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If you are going to really bulk cycle and you can handle deca then go with deca . For me I can't it just put me down hard . With 500mg npp and 750 mg sust I added only 8 kg and I got more dry but If I used deca I'm sure I would add more . Good luck

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Maybe I need to rethink my decision

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Big bro, sorry I have no advice-nothing to add.. I just have to say I love the looks of this cycle and want to run it (or close) myself.

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I appreciate the comment either way. Atleast I know that it doesn't sound like a crazy cycle and that it atleast makes sense to other members.

If you do run a cycle like this i hope that you throw it up so I can read and follow your progress.

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Personally I don't enjoy using Deca because how long the effects take to set in. I think your idea of kick-starting using NPP is not only a great idea but is how I would do it every time. I love NPP and use only NPP choosing over deca.
I know everybody reacts differently but using Sustanon I don't like waiting till week 5 to start my AI like you plan. The short Esters in the sust have my gyno issues flaring almost immediately. Only time I wait until week four or five to start ai is using only long esters. But if your body is more estro resistant than mine in early weeks then power to you!
Wondering why you stated that if using Anadrol you would split your dose twice-daily, but if using dbol you would only use it pre-workout? Is it simply because you would be taking less milligrams using dbol than drol? The two compounds are very similar as far as half-life's and whatnot, so just wondering what the logic there is?
If you want to use the DECA to gain mass and not primarily as just lubrication for your joints then I would run the 600 milligrams like you planned and not the 400. 400 milligrams of deca is a good therapy amount if using for joints, but if trying to add as much mass as possible I would up the ante.
I love that you are using Provi. That is a staple to every cycle I use. but you stated above about flirting With using up to 100 milligrams ( if I read that correctly) I can honestly tell you from experience that for me the difference between 25 milligrams and 50 milligrams of Provi was significant. But anything above 50 was not worth the added milligrams. I pulled free test values over 1,600 using 50 milligrams, and I just saw a recent test somebody pulling around 12 or 1300 using only 25 milligrams daily. 100 milligrams is absolutely not needed and complete Overkill imo.
Great layout and write up!! Very well thought through and explained, and I give you much credit for that. Can never have too many questions and can never receive too much feedback! I wish you luck and hope to see huge gains! +

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I agree on the Deca as far as going big...I'm old school as far as a Big/Long WET Bulking cycle w/ minimum AI's(only as needed)...cruise for few months...Then a Moderate Cutting/Hardening cycle...Old School 101

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I also love npp but I wanted to get on decca in a longer bulking cycle thats why im changing. I might start aromasin sooner but for me provi can almost be my ai on most cycles. It works great for me and I won't run without it.
When it comes to dbol and adrol the reason for spreading out the adrol and not the dbol is only because of preference. I have ran alot of dbol I use to use it with every cycle but I have flirted with adrol once for a couple of weeks. When I run dbol I strictly use it as a pre-workout. I have found that running it and trying to keep my levels steady like I would with any other oral just results in alot more water and acne when I use it as a pre-workout it gives me amazing workouts especially at 30mgs and just dosing once a day pre-workout I see a difference in side effects instead of running 25mgs mourn and 25mg night I just use 30mg pre-workout and I get what I need out of it.

You reccomend the 600mgs im still torn if I should run 600 or 400 im going to discuss this with multiple people and when the time comes make a dicesion but yes I would like to run 600 because I want to get the growth out of it.

I agree 100% about the provi 50mgs is my sweet spot. I wanted to hear what others have experienced when they took it to 100mgs. If it was worth it or 50mgs is where I should stay i do believe that it will end up being 50mgs of provi.

I appreciate your feedback brother everything I get helps me out. I really like hearing everyones outlook on the cycle and definitely like hearing real life experience. Thanks for both.
Im looking forward to this cycle.

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Everything you said makes sense. There's a reason you have the tag that you do :)) definitely going about this the right way. Get as many opinions as you can. Can never have too many opinions and like I said can never have too much feedback. Good luck brother!

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My best cycles ever have been TestE /Deca w/ dbol/drol to kick...pretty close to this ,so thought I would chime in...I'm 38 now,I've learned over the years though that I enjoy more now not using a kicker and knowing in 3-4 wks my long esters are gonna kick in hard,it lets me use those first 3 weeks to get my lifting going strong and diet in check.It's the best feeling in the world when that 3rd/4th week hits and your in 'Beast Mode'...it's on now. Somewhere in every cycle the gains start slowing down,thats when I use orals/TNE to shift it back into next gear and keep the gain train going strong.It's so much more motivating for me this way then kicking off hard and then just maintaining the rest of your cycle...Actually ON right now and it's wk 4 and my TestE/Deca is kicking seriously hard,Pumps were insane today..I wanted to lift a 2nd time but I know better...Deca is prolly my fav compound,I'm sure it would be tren but I avoid it because I'll lose an inch of hairline just looking at some tren...lol PM me anytime,be good to talk w/ somebody else who's ON right now

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I appreciate the feedback im going to pm you. Im just finishing up a testp and e with npp and var cycle. I would definitely like to get your opinion on a couple of things including the diet im going to run with this big bulk.

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I think your original looks good man I'm going to be running kinda the same 600 test 400 deca 50 provi 12.5 aromasin eod caber .5 e3d

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So 600mgs decca is alot right. Im comparing it to npp. I run npp at 450mgs im thinking that 400mgs might be a solid dose and keeping the sust at 500mgs. 250mgs 2x a wk

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If you are going to run Sust, at least do it on a MWF schedule. If you are only going to pin 2x/wk then switch over to test e or c.

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This is where im torn mak
I wanted to run sust and decca they say its the best bulking combination. I just don't know if 750mgs and 600mgs was over doing it. Honestly I think it is so im looking at running 500mgs and 400mgs but like you said if im going to run sust it should definitely be a 3x a wk inj schedule. Im just not sure if 750mgs a wk of sust is to much. Im contemplating if I should just run test enanthate at 500mgs with 400mgs of decca. Im leaning towards going with the 750mgs of sust 3x a wk and using the decca at 400mgs. I think with the aromasin and Proviron I should be able to control the estrogen from the sust at 750mgs. It has just been over a decade since I ran that much test. Im definitely going to be thinking about this for awhile this cycle is around 3 months away so im just getting ahead of things trying to get some opinions and feedback on this cycle.

What do you think about the diet for a big bulk like this. I was figuring shoot for 4000 cals 350-400g of protein and heavy carbs and fats. Im really just going to put down everything possible thats my plan. I will be eating responsible no bs foods like McDonald's or anything but all heavy prepped meals 6x a day.

If you were to run a heavy bulk like this what would you be realistically shooting for when it comes to diet?
Thanks in advance you know I value your opinion

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I am assuming you are using amps for the sust (hence the 500mg vs 750mg) If you are stuck with amps then I would go with 750/wk so you can keep at aleast a MWF schedule. That worked fine with me when using sust. When I ran that much sust I also used 150mg of Deca for the joints. 150mg is plenty for joint relief so once you start getting above that you are more in the anabolic range. 400mg of Deca would be more than plenty. If I were to run a sust/deca cycle like you are planning I would go with 750mg/300mg. 300mg of Deca would be plenty for me anyway. If I couldn't put on some good lean mass with that combo then something is off. I would be more concerned about diet then racking my brain over the deca amount. 400mg of deca is plenty and I think anymore over that would be overkill at this point in time.

At your weight there is definitely no need to go above 400g of protein. Stick above 300g and you will be fine. Put the rest of those cals into carbs and fats then. I am making good gains at around 500+ above my TDEE. I want to get more in and try to but it is very hard to eat that much as you know so don't be afraid of a few big Macs.

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You got it i have amps coming thats why the whole 500/750 issue comes up.

I think that 750mgs of sust will definitely be giving me amazing gains so 300mgs of decca is definitely something to think about. That i have in a vial so dosing at any range is no problem.
Like you said also the mgs in the cycle im just trying to run the least and get the most but I agree it all comes down to diet. I do have a hard time getting all the food down. As long as I prep my meals i have been making it happen so thats going to be a big thing for me to make sure that its all ready to get put down. I need to take a look at my tdee and start running the actual numbers.
I do love me a big mac but since my weight loss I've banned McDonald's from the diet but Chipotle and pollo tropical are definitely in there lol.
Thanks brother

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Those pharma amps were giving me pip that is why I ended up cutting it with a little deca. Helped my old joints and got rid of the pip. I believe I netted 8 solid pounds with that cycle after it was all said and done. 750 sust and pulsing 50mg of adrol with that little bit of deca. If I would run that again I would up the the deca to 3-400mg/wk.

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Im thinking 300mgs minimum 400mgs probably.
I run 450mgs with npp so over a longer period of time 400mgs of decca i think will end up being the spot.
I am shooting for 12lbs on this 15wk cycle if I pull 8 solid pounds all said and done i will definitely be happy. Im also hoping to get back to lifting heavier weight again. Not all the time but since my bicep injury I've been playing it safe higher reps lower weight. I would like to go big on some of my workouts during this cycle. Especially since I should be recovering extremely fast. Im hoping that it will help me pac on more muscle during the cycle also.

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Personally I would keep the deca at 400mgs. That should be plenty. I've never ran 600mgs because I got great results at 400 mgs. I weighed 215 the last time I ran deca. So your mg to weight ratio should be just fine.

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I appreciate the input. I will keep it at 400mgs i think 600mgs is to much.
What do you think about the sust do you agree that 500mgs is plunty or do you think that 750mgs is the way to go?