+ 9 Basicstero Mix 1 20 weeks
Current weight is 239 in the A.M.
Bodyfat: not really sure: higher than my normal 10-15% range see pictures below.
32yrs
Cycle history: N/A I won’t be asking questions or needing advice
As always all gear is Pharmacom Labs
400 eq/500 test
Toremifene will be used 20mg ed for 20 weeks/ I want to see my lipid values go up and I get my best gains with higher E2 levels. Not gyno prone at all. I have been working on a new food plan lately. Calories will be start at 4,000. My carb, fat, protein ratio will be 50/25/25. I haven’t done a full bulk in quite a few years. So my only real expectation is to grow these damn legs. I wouldn’t minding seeing 250, 260, 270 whatever ever it takes to make these things crazy big. I don’t have any concerns am I am fluent with every compound being used. The pics below are from last Thursday pinning starts today.
| Week | Testosterone C and PP | Equipoise | Torem |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 400mg | 20mg |
| 2 | 500mg | 400mg | 20mg |
| 3 | 500mg | 400mg | 20mg |
| 4 | 500mg | 400mg | 20mg |
| 5 | 500mg | 400mg | 20mg |
| 6 | 500mg | 400mg | 20mg |
| 7 | 500mg | 400mg | 20mg |
| 8 | 500mg | 400mg | 20mg |
| 9 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
| 10 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
| 11 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
| 12 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
| 13 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
| 14 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
| 15 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
| 16 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
| 17 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
| 18 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
| 19 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
| 20 | 500 | 400 | 20 |
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Hey im about to run the same exact cycle with the same exact gear. i was planning on doing 600 test and 600 EQ. Test E and Bold Undec. I was going to pin twice a week with 300 of each on monday and friday. I was wondering if anyone has ever pinned these esters EOD. Like 150 mg EOD and what was the outcome of this.
PcushionThere isn’t a reason to pin either eod. With the long esters your not accomplishing much other than useless stabs.
No doubt. Thats what I was thinking. someone mentioned it and I was thinking it was strange but figured Id ask. Thanks man.
ChoadHey big dog I sent u a FR, just wondering if I could bounce some ideas off you...thanks
He'll help you choad - He's a good lad
Hey PC Not sure if there is a way to message you here. We spoke on another board you are not on anymore I think. Got a couple questions as i have some pharmacon gear and plan to run a cycle but need to hold off due to high rbc, hemocrit and hemoglobin. Apparently my doc had me on too high a trt dose 200mg a week had me at over 1669. I loved it but he did not.
Oh and i ike this cycle. Never ran nolva before, but would the 500 test and 400 eq work if i only ran for 12 or 16 weeks? Its poissible that might be the longest i can run a cycle or maybe even 10 weeks
PcushionI sent you a message brother.
Making me look small bro. This is what helps get me motivated. I wanna pull through trigger on the mix two this summer.
What is your diet like bro?
PcushionFull lol.
eggs oatmeal
Hamburger helper daily
Beef
Whole potatoes
Chicken breast
Rice
Heavy creamer
Liquid egg whites
Ovaltine
The heavy creamer/egg whites/ovaltine is mix you use for a whole meal? Like a shake to drink?
PcushionI use that combo for protein shakes and a snack really. The taste takes a bit of getting used to. I also like to add oatmeal and blueberries to that combo.
So you do the old dirty bulk... I try to get atleast 50g of protein every meal. Even if I eat and drink a protein shake or drink egg whites.
PcushionThis is my first full bulk in years. I have stayed on a lean bulk for years prior to this run. Plus most guys “dirty” bulk consists of pizza and cheese sticks lol. I am eating for pure function at this point.
Actually you’re right the only thing I see is Hamburger helped that I would consider dirty bulking. Everything else is pretty clean.
PcushionYeah man my process is old school one tried and true.
You have good body mass and in this cycle looks very good. good info about torem. After looking it in your cycle i will read about it more. thank you.
Hey man, good morning. I was just contemplating to rebuild my size and strength on a TEST/EQ run and stumbled upon your this thread. Can I ask you if the torem is all you take, no proviro or ai during the cycle?
PcushionYeah for E2 control it’s all I am using. I am not using an AI, provi or anything else to control estrogen because I am playing off the high E2 in terms of mass building. Torem has me covered in terms of E2 negatives.
I was curious cause I read it has a negative effect on shbg, but I guess at such a low dosage it is good enough to keep you not bloated and avoid gyno. I am curious about it, cause I was deciding between arimidex or aromasin and I keep proviron as a staple in a cycle.
How is the mix 1 treating you so far?
PcushionI think people get way too concerned with SHBG at the wrong time. On cycle torems ability to raise SHBG is not notable. 20mg a day and zero gyno or bloating worries here. SHBG is a concern one should have off cycle and during pct though. Everyone loves to follow the nolva pct regimen and look over SHBG then.
Food plays a big part in his size also, ask him for a copy of his diet if he doesn't mind.
Hi there sir, my main question was about the toremifene.
I know an a.i. and proviron combo is a must if you are gyno prone and tend to have high estro, I was just curious as to how the toremifene worked and if I could consider it, even tough is has a negative effect on SHBG.
Calories wise of course to gain back size a shit ton of food is required of course. I already tried pharmacom's eq in 2015 with a eq 500 and test e cycle and went very well. Haven't touched eq since then, and Mix 1 looks as a cheap and effective way to run both.
Beastly mofo! I'm gonna tread a little more lightly in all our future conversations bro, lol.
Seriously though, first time I saw your pic. Impressive size and shape. But what the hell is torem?
PcushionThanks dude. See a lot of people talk about this life, but I live it 365 no days off. I truly eat 4500-5000 calories a day. I truly hit the gym 6 days a week. I know my shit when it comes to bodybuilding brother. I am updating new pictures right now.
Btw Torem is a Serm much like Tamoxifen. It’s newer and much easier on the body. People don’t realize Tamoxifen can be dangerous especially people who have a predisposition for certain conditions. I don’t run an AI during my full bulks bc I my best gains letting estrogen do what it will. Torem holds off water weight and stops any other negative estrogen side effects.
I'll look into the torem with my peptide and research liquid suppliers and see if one of them carry it. If not i may hit you up for some source info if you don't mind.
When I started really dedicating myself like you mention I started seeing the gains that I thought would never come.
PcushionYeah dude it’s cool when you give it 100%. Real stuff begins to happen. You can always hit me up for my source brother. They are well known and been in the game a long ass time. Best gear in the world!
He's a Big ass MF'er! Good job man - What was your final body weight in the end, about 250 I'm guessing?
PcushionThank you brother! Man I am 242.8 In the A.M. currently and about to be three weeks in. I am shooting for 260. I am updating today’s pictures right now.
Not a big difference but its 400 test e 100 test prop. Its 200 50 200 mix