+ 6 Another Perspective Cycle to start April 2018
Well here is my next perspective long run cycle I have put together after months of going back and forth with a few combinations here and there. This is designed to put on solid lean gains and looking for hopefully 10lbs of SOLID lean muscle gains when this is all said and done. Will run my solid PCT cycle 2 weeks after my last pin of the Test C with HCG, Clomid and Nolva like always. Keeping my Test and Deca in the moderate doses this time around and expecting the EQ to take on most of the load for the gains I am looking for. Starting off with the NPP and Bold Cyp will allow my body to get both the Bold and Nandralone compounds into my system more quickly then just to start the run with Deca and EQ due to the ester differences in each of them.
The HGH will also be a big help here as I have just turned the ripe OLD age of 54 recently so not sure how many more runs I have left in me so lets see how this one turns out. Will also be using IGF DES for pre workout injections as I find it to be most helpfull with the PUMPS from hell during the workout sessions. Might incoorperate a few other Peptides during the run as they seem to really help in a variety of area's and needs.
Again, this is a PRESPECTIVE run I am anticipating to start April of 2018 so lets hear your comments you may have with what I have posted here. This can be subject to change before then as I am still in the tweaking stages but find this run to be a solid one from my research. Peace Out to all... MOB..
| Week | Test C 250 | NPP 100 | Bold Cyp | Deca 250 | EQ 250 | HGH | Arom | Caber |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mgs | 400mgs | 600mgs | 4iu's-day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 2 | 500mg | 400mgs | 600mgs | 4iu's-day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 3 | 500mg | 400mgs | 600mgs | 4iu's-day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 4 | 500mg | 400mgs | 600mgs | 4iu's-day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 5 | 500mg | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 6 | 500mg | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 7 | 500mg | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 8 | 500mg | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 9 | 500mg | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 10 | 500mg | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 11 | 500mgs | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 12 | 500mgs | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 13 | 500mgs | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 14 | 500mgs | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 15 | 500mgs | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 16 | 500mgs | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 17 | 500mgs | 400mgs | 750mgs | 5iu's day | 12.5 EOD | 0.5 E3D | ||
| 18 | 300MGS | |||||||
| 19 | 300MGS |
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basskiller89Damn brother, you're going to blow up lol
Question, I don't run 19-nors so I may be off here. I thought that prolactin and progesterone were controlled and didn't rise assuming that E levels are controlled?
Generally yes you’re right. If I keep my test low enough that I don’t need an AI caber is unnecessary. But he’s got a healthy amount of test in there as well, so there’s going to be some estrogen balancing/prolactin. I’m sure he knows what his body needs and will adjust based off bloods.
Hashtag1981So no caber for 250 deca?
My point is that estro is much more important. So if estro is controlled (by keeping test low) then caber should not be needed for 250 deca or a gram of deca.
Hashtag1981I see I see.... i think I will run .25 caber x2 per week with 250 deca
Go off bloodwork bro. Don’t just start taking it because you think you might need it. That stuff is expensive.
Hashtag1981truth ..it is
basskiller89For sure, I was just curious
I see what you are trying to do here. You are kicking with the shorts to get plasma levels up quicker since deca/EQ are very long esters. Looks like a few people have alluded to this but you still need to be pinning your longs along with your shorts though. Look at how a test prop kick is used. You are nailing the prop alongside the test e/c and when the longs are peaked you drop the shorts. If you just run the shorts and start the longs after that, then you are going to have a serious lag and dip in plasma levels until the longs build back up.
Yabuddy. I’ve been doing it that way for a long time now and it works like a charm. It also can help avoid needing an oral compound kickstart.
Gotcha.. I see what you all are saying here and makes alot of sence.. I will hit you via PM to get more info
on this and how to properly run this before I start this run... Thanks peeps for the advise..
RustyhookerI cant read the layout. Phones acting dumb. But i ran the deca and eq right from the beginning. Used shorter esters til the lings were about to get going. So theres no overlap per se of starting and guessing. Eq gets started around week 9. A lil spike on eq imo wont be a huge issue as ling as bloods donated week 8. With npp/deca for me the concern is not getting a 19nor spiking and deca dick issues start up. Npp is out quickly but i have a lotta nookie and not about to quit my favorite past time.
Roidcalc.com etc might dial in the shorts to longs so youre not feeling a hard dip or spike. It does get confusing when adding in shorter esters. Its also a chore when youre pinning ed with larger cc per day. It gets old quick.
Easier route.... stick to eq test and deca. Use an oral to boost as needed. Bold cyp has a 3 week cleave and npp has about a week after its dropped. If you used something like drol pulsed...get bloods donated before you start....week 8/9 and towards the end to avoid bp spikes. It can be a hazard to keep in mind. I missed week 9 donation and at week 11 they wouldnt let me donate due to spike.
Or simply adding provi from week 4 to end with no orals for the free test. Free test is what the body can use. Its unbound and waiting to be used, converted to dht and estro. Dht is strong anabolic.
Sometimes slow and easy is best....
When I kicked bold cyp on an EQ cycle makwa helped me set up a taper like: 500bc/500eq, 400bc/600eq, 300bc/700eq... you get the idea
It helped keep bloods real even. Particularly going from npp to deca since the half lives are so different. Have you looked into nandrolone cyp? Just an option. I’m sure you’re gonna crush it bro, a big boy cycle for sure.
When using super long estered compounds like EQ or Deca, I like the taper idea. Another way to do it is to start of with your planned weekly dose of the long ester and slowly taper the short.
Gymjunkie has another way of doing it without the taper although his doses are up there. Npp for first 5 weeks and deca full dose from day one.
Shouldn’t you be running the long ester eq and deca while you’re running the NPP and bold cyp? So that way there isn’t a drop off from u having to wait for the longer esters to kick in? Looking at your cycle from my iPad it looks like u aren’t running the deca and eq until week 5. Also if none of what I said makes sense.... I apologize. I just had nose surgery for a deviated septum and these stupid fuckng pain pills have my brain foggy as hell. I’m freaking struggling atm. Lol. I like the doses though and think there shouldn’t be any reason at all for u to achieve your goals. Good luck buddy!!
The reason I will run the NPP and Bold Cyp at first is to allow both the Boldenone and Nandrolone compounds to enter my system faster then it would take as to when you just start with the Deca and EQ. Both NPP and Bold Cyp will allow this to happen so when I do transition over to the Deca and EQ, there will be NO drop off as you mentioned. To run both I would feel be a overkill and needless IMO as the shorter esters should be totally in my system by week #5. Thanks for your input and hope your recovery goes fast, Ive had that surgery B4 so I know what your going through..
I don't know if this sounds stupid; but if you were wanting to start your cycle with the shorter esters of the same compounds in order to have it begin working faster, could you then switch back to the short esters when finishing up, in order to cut down on the amount of time post-cycle your natural testosterone is being strongly suppressed? Just so that it's out of your system sooner and you can get your bodies natural production going again?
For example:
Week 1-4 Bold Cyp
Week 5-13 EQ
Week 14-18 Bold Cyp
Or is that completely pointless and a waste of time? Cheers
Whats your cycle history like?
How long you plan on running the GH?
RustyhookerGood question! Look at the esters.... eq really gets going at week 9. Bold cyp will fall out around two weeks after stopping. So if you start cyp then switch youve got 9 weeks of a dip.
Think just test....
1-4 100mg prop eod
1-12 test e 500
13-14 prop taper ..... 100 eod....50 eod
So esters are kicking fast and tapered out