After a 4 year hiatus.. Ready for round 2
6'1
175 lbs
29 years old
1 previous cycle
So I realize I'm starting this a little light & could probably gain some more weight without the gear, however, as I'm a super hard gainer & after 2 years out of the gym, it's taken me over a year to go from 158 lbs BACK to a clean 175. So I'm sure I'll take some heat for it, but I'm ready to run this pretty basic 12 week cycle. I'm going to kickstart a Test E cycle with Test P (& maybe even throw some EQ in the mix around week 4 & extend the cycle to 20 weeks). My goals are pretty simple, I feel like I've plateaued a bit in terms of clean size.. So I'm hoping to add a little mass that I can hold post cycle to help me bulk up to about 205 this winter. I'm familiar & have experience with the 2 test esters I'm running, but I have no experience with EQ.. So any opinions on when might be the best time to add the EQ (if at all) as it pertains to my goals would be much appreciated.
EDIT: Daily caloric intake: approx. 3500-4000
Daily protein intake: approx. 300g
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Testosterone Propionate | Aromasin | Nolvadex | Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 75mg/EOD | |||
| 2 | 500mg | 75mg/EOD | |||
| 3 | 500mg | 75mg/EOD | |||
| 4 | 500mg | 75mg/EOD | |||
| 5 | 500mg | 12.5mg/EOD | |||
| 6 | 500mg | 12.5mg/EOD | |||
| 7 | 500mg | 12.5mg/EOD | |||
| 8 | 500mg | 12.5mg/EOD | |||
| 9 | 500mg | 12.5mg/EOD | |||
| 10 | 500mg | 12.5mg/EOD | |||
| 11 | 500mg | 12.5mg/EOD | |||
| 12 | 500mg | 12.5mg/EOD | |||
| 13 | |||||
| 14 | |||||
| 15 | 20mg/ED | 100mg/ED | |||
| 16 | 20mg/ED | 100mg/ED | |||
| 17 | 10mg/ED | 50mg/ED | |||
| 18 | 10mg/ED | 50mg/ED |
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With that body you prob get more pussy than most people on this forum. Yea, your scrawny in our eyes, but im sure females be all over u lol
After some deliberation, I've decided that you fuckers are right.. If I'm honest with myself, I'm being impatient here. I can put on plenty of size over the winter & revisit this idea next spring. So I'm gonna scrap the cycle for now & just continue to eat, & go harder on my squats/deadlifts.
Bro you don't need only eat . I remember someone said eat then eat then eat then rest on your ass and if you tired sleep and train hard and don't kill the muscle , give it time to recover I mean don't do the muscle 2 or 3 times in week this will not make it bigger , your eat and your rest will make it bigger .
+1 for keeping and open mind and taking great advice from "fuckers" than know their shit
RustyhookerClick on catalyst avatar. Jump into his forum in general about foods. Read what's there as it's interactive. His advice got me heavier than I've ever been.
Makwa, tonytulo, and MedDx forums as well. Those folks as well as my own post on workouts will shock you into new growth.
Welcome to eroids!!
Skipping the drugs for a second, if you're 6-1 and weigh 175 based in the picture of your upper body I'll be pretty sure you'll have no legs at all. Phrases like "super hard gainer" are nothing more than excuses. Start getting yourself in the squat rack and push some weight and you'll grow. Otherwise prove me wrong and post up some so,I'd quads / hams / calves.
6-1 and 175 is nothing resembling a base for steroid use. You know that already.
Unfortunately, you're right.. After looking for some lower body pics, I've realized that I don't have any that I'm really even proud enough of to post. So I've decided to postpone the cycle & spend the winter working on my legs & gaining some more mass.
Not just you mate. A big percentage of guys don't train legs and if they do a lot half arse it. You've built a decent enough base in terms of your upper body, smash those legs in the same way and you'll get there. You've got a good head on your shoulders. If you need help, drop me a line.
Titsonmyman69Also when you start smashing legs you'll realize your body weight increasing faster than normal. At least I noticed this when I realized a long time ago how important leg training was. You have some of your largest and strongest muscles in your legs. So if training your smaller upper body muscles is going to put on weight, then training your larger lower body muscles is logically going to put on even more weight, right? Just saying it will help you reach your goal weight if you have a set weight in mind you want to get to before starting your cycle. Good luck!
Absolutely man.. Definitely makes sense. Thanks!
Absolutely
Titsonmyman69Well if you ate 3500-4000 calories and 300g protein daily with the proper training I don't believe anybody that is 6'1" would ever stay at 175. That's my weight at 5'4" (after sitting out to injury)and I'm STILL debating putting on 10 lbs before this cycle. Get your weight up natty and try not to convince Yourself that you can't put on any more weight. If it's not happening either you're sick, or you are exaggerating your caloric intake is my guess. Anywho....
IF you are going to run this regardless anyways, the least I can do is tell you to at least put a couple of weeks in between your last pin the start of your PCT. You're not running short Esters. That half life needs to work itself to lower levels before you start trying to recharge your system. So at least week 13 and week 14 should contain no compounds at all and starting week 15 should be the start of your PCT. Actually I have waited as long as three to four weeks to start my PCT after Enanthate and cypionate runs and have had great results.
Also if you plan to kick start with prop then your aromasin might want to start a little earlier. 4 weeks might be ok using longer Esters, and depending on the person might even be ok using shorter Esters Like prop, but usually I start my aromasin after week 2 when I kick start with prop. That's about as far as I'm going to go with this considering I don't think you should be starting this yet. I really really hope you listen to some of this advice otherwise you're kind of wasting money and gear. But that's my opinion I guess...good luck broski...BE SAFE
Definitely correct regarding the PCT.. Rushed through the table a bit. 2 weeks after my last Test pin is when I'll start the Nolva/Clomid.
Rustyhooker+2
Too bad the OP is 30 pounds too light and not listening.
I always listen.. Just not the best at always obeying ;) - In all seriousness, I decided to post this log on here because I value the experience & advice you guys offer. I already knew people would take issue with my starting weight.. However, I started my first cycle at the exact same weight, peaked at 212, & ended up just under 195 by the end of my PCT (So nearly 20 lbs retained post cycle). Unfortunately I ended up spending nearly 3 years out of the gym (moved, had a kid, switched jobs, etc) & over that time lost all of those gains, plus a lot more muscle & dropped all the way down to <160. I'm essentially running the exact same cycle (plus the Prop kickstart) that I already have experience with & am aware of how my body responds to these compounds/lab. So I'm not going into this completely ignorant, reckless, & inexperienced.. I was more so hoping to get some thoughts on extending the cycle a bit to possibly add some EQ.. But I'll just shelf that for now lol. Thanks for the input.
Richard.SimmonsThis should tell you something... I would just leave it at a Test only cycle and go from there. You can always dab into other compounds later.
So you think wait on the EQ huh? Thanks for the input man
Ok so I didn't even read 1/4 of what you wrote I stopped after I saw you say "basic cycle" and then you say you might throw in EQ. That to me right there shows you haven't done your homework... I'm sure this "cycle" you posted along with the pct and AI was something someone else wrote and you just copied it.
and FYI I don't think your 29 more like early early 20's to me man just going off bone structure and skeletal muscle.
Also with that diet you supposedly laid out, you would look a lot differently then you do in that pic. Just my .02 though.
What about my bone structure & skeletal muscle makes me look almost 10 years younger? Lol.. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad..
Yikes.. Well.. I am 29 lol. If you check out my cycle log from 3 years ago, maybe it'll make a bit more sense. My mention of EQ makes you think I haven't done my homework because you're assuming I'm unaware of how EQ works, yes? I'm aware that it's a slow & steady compound.. It's possible I'll extend this cycle to 20 weeks & throw some EQ in some time after my prop kick. As far as copying someone else's on-cycle AI/PCT protocol.. I'll try not to take offense to that as I haven't been very active on here in the last few years.. But I can assure you I've been obsessive in my research. In regards to my diet, I'm also in disbelief that 3500-4000 calories/day only takes me to 175lbs. On a 2000 calorie/day diet, without lifting, my natural bodyweight is around 150-155.. at 6'1 (maybe I have AIDS?), so I'm stuffing my face to make a natty 175 & losing my abs in the process. So.. Can we start over & maybe read the other 3/4?
Richard.SimmonsI don't know if you know this or not. No one cares what you have how you got it what kind of stuff you stuff your face with. Goose24 was just asking simple questions. As far as extending it 20 weeks yes also at 6'1" with your body type it's going to be harder to gain.
I may have misunderstood, but it seemed as if he was doubting my caloric/protein intake claims.. So my explanation was not because I thought everyone cared, but rather in response to his skepticism. Also, Goose didn't ask any questions at all..
Richard.SimmonsI didn't see your protein intake? What's it going to be ?
400g protein/day.. It's all up top in the main body of the cycle log.
Richard.SimmonsI'm thinking that's a bit to much. At 400g your body's going to be waisting a lot of it. Which also means you'll be waisting $$$. Remember 1 to 1-1/2g per pound of body weight. So 200lbs is 200g-300g of protein.
Most likely supplement protein at that bro.
Probably over-compensating a bit w/the protein intake.. & definitely hard on the wallet. Anyway, appreciate the constructive input.
Hard on the wallet and the kidneys.