About 9 months from now
Ok so right now I'm obviously not prepared to do anything however by next July or August I'd like to run this cycle. The parameters for me to do so will be as follows:
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 200 lbs give or take a few lbs
BF%: 10-12%
If these factors are not met I WILL NOT BE RUNNING THIS CYCLE!
Macro's will be:
4000-4500 calories
400-450g carbs
300-350g protein
100g healthy fats
The object of this cycle will be a CLEAN Bulk.
My training will be 4 days a weeks of weight training followed by 2 days of walking on an incline.
My reasoning for deciding to use tren is because I've used the compound before and had zero issues with it. No insomnia and I sweat at night regardless of whether I'm on or not. I may be wrong but I feel like most of the vets reject the use of tren in people my age because you just don't know how your body will react and in my past I have used tren ace in excess of 500 mg a week (don't shoot me over it I was ignorant and didn't know any better). Being that I know how my body has reacted to ace I feel confident if any sides would show that they would be mild. Caber will be on hand at all times and used @ .5mg twice a week if necessary. Never noticed prolactin related sides with a 19nor before. Also will be taking Liv52 starting 2 weeks prior to beginning the cycle.
My reasoning for starting the aromasin week 3 is because I know my body. Good test e always causes me gyno issues around that time. The reason for running it daily is to maintain stable e2 levels. Should I find it to be to much I'll back off to 6.25mg eod.
My reasoning for running proviron in general is that I've seen a lot of vets write how fond of it they are and how much of a staple it is in any cycle of theirs just as much as test is. The idea is to stop any estro related side effects before they happen as well as the benefits of boosting free test levels.
Please remember that this is just a projection for around 8-9 months from now and that if the parameters listed above are not met I will not be running this at all. If the vets still feel this is excessive, my thoughts are to drop the tren and add sdrol to kick . I am no where near prepared to run this now so if it gets a proved I will use this as a goal to drive myself to reach my goals to be able to do this.
Bloods will be drawn 3 months prior to beginning and a week before hand and posted for analysis.
| Week | Test C | Test Prop | Proviron | Aromasin | Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 50mg ed | 25mg/ed | ||
| 2 | 500mg | 50mg ed | 25mg/ed | ||
| 3 | 500mg | 50mg ed | 25mg/ed | 6.25mg/ed | |
| 4 | 500mg | 50mg ed | 25mg/ed | 6.25mg/ed | |
| 5 | 500mg | 25mg/ed | 6.25mg/ed | ||
| 6 | 500mg | 25mg/ed | 6.25mg/ed | ||
| 7 | 500mg | 25mg/ed | 6.25mg/ed | ||
| 8 | 500mg | 25mg/ed | 6.25mg/ed | ||
| 9 | 500mg | 25mg/ed | 6.25mg/ed | ||
| 10 | 500mg | 25mg/ed | 6.25mg/ed | ||
| 11 | 500mg | 25mg/ed | 6.25mg/ed | ||
| 12 | 500mg | 25mg/ed | 6.25mg/ed | ||
| 13 | 6.25mg/ed | ||||
| 14 | 6.25mg/ed | ||||
| 15 | 6.25mg/ed | 100mg/ed | |||
| 16 | 6.25mg/ed | 100mg/ed | |||
| 17 | 6.25mg/ed | 50mg/ed | |||
| 6.25mg/ed | 50mg/ed |
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WTF! I thought shit was starting to sink in and now when you are ready to get back on the wagon you post a cycle with tren it. Yeah you may have ran it before but clearly the way you were running things before wasn't working. Why don't you try a cycle for once focusing more on the diet than running a bunch a compounds. You were trying to make up for a sub-par diet previously by throwing a bunch of compounds in the mix instead and it obviously wasn't working. Why don't you actaully see for once what a proper diet can actually do with minimal compounds. You are going to have more success running a 500mg test e cycle with a proper diet than all your shitty cycles combined with all the tren, deca, EQ you were running.
I mean I wrote that it was conditional and subject to change should the vets still think it was excessive. There would've been nothing ran regardless unless those conditions were met. And not for nothing but if you would've wrote "hey bro I still think you're not ready for a 19nor how about you use the alternative one that you had posted" would've been a much more appropriate response. I wrote my justifications for everything and if you felt that was wrong there would've been nothing wrong with you telling me that. I gave my exact reasoning for choosing to add then tren in so if you feel thats wrong just tell me. To say that everything is going in one ear and out the other is a little excessive though considering you know me better than that.
Don't use tren
Thank you. See I'm very open and even adjusted my cycle to suit what I feel would be appropriate. Now should I take the proviron off or does it look good as is?
Leave the provi in and I would take the cycle out to 12 wks or stop the test E at 10 wks like you have and use a prop taper for wks 11-12.
I'll extend it to 12 so I don't have to pin as often. When using short esters I try to pin ed instead of eod for better plazma stability.
Your PCT is not adequate, and you have no mention of prolactin control drugs which you will want to have on hand messing with a 19nor.
Also, you lost me at clean bulk
I did mention that I would have caber on hand just in case but went on to say that I've never have prolactin issues from tren before so I didn't implement that into the cycle since it would be used in case of emergency at which point I would use at .5 mg twice a week should I need it.
As for clean bulk I'm referring to eating clean for the size as to not add on a bunch of unnecessary fat. I know I'll add some additional body fat regardless but I'd like to limit how much by eating well.
As for pct would you recommend adding hcg? Didn't think I'd need the hcg being that it's only 10 weeks.
In my honest opinion, bulking on Tren isn't all it's hyped up to be. It's an over hyped "wonder" drug that isn't as great as everyone makes it out to be... YMMV of course.
There are plenty better suited drugs out there for a bulk, decay being the obvious one in the 19nor family. I saw below you have no experience running decay however...
If you're trying to minimize fat gain you're not going to have the best bulk you can. Don't look at the fat gain during a bulk... it's always going to be there. Accept it, worry about it later down the road when you're trimming down.
I've no personal experience with HCG so I cannot comment.
What are all the compounds you've used? What cycles have you run, and for how long. When's the last cycle?
I forgot to mention I have tested deca and eq cyp but it was just 1 mL of the deca to test and make sure it was smooth.
In my honest opinion, I'd have to agree with Makwa above. You need to go back to the very basic test only cycle. You can kickstart with prop for the first 3-4 weeks to speed up the cleave in your system, but other than that you really stand to gain a lot from just one compound.
Focus on your diet without having to worry about complicated pinning schedules. You'll be close to 10 months off of gear if I recall your other posts correctly and with what you wrote below. If you eat correctly, train correctly, the mass will come, without wrecking your system from another rollercoaster of hormones.
That's fine and that's why I suggested an alternative. Diet being on point is a must before I even add in test let alone anything else and it will be reflective in my body composition.
Compounds used have been:
Anadrol
Dbol
Tbol
Test C, E and Prop
Tren
NPP
Cut mix
Eq
I ran the cut mix for 10 weeks.
First cycle was test prop @ 1 mL eod with anadrol @ 50 mg ed.
Ran Test C @ 600 mg/wk and npp @ 400 mg/wk with a 50 mg dbol kicker for the first 4 weeks.
Ran test prop and tren ace @ 50 mg each everyday with a 4 week tbol kicker @ 30 mg ed for 4 weeks.
Last cycle was sust 350 and eq 350 @ 1 mL mon and thurs.
Typical pct for me is 5000 iu hcg @ 500 iu ed 10 days after my last shot of using long esters or 10 days prior To my last shot of using short esters. Nolva @ 40/40/20/20 and clomid @ 100/100/50/50 for 4 weeks. Last cycle however I decided not to come off the test. I came off about 3 weeks ago.
Im on 400mg tren ace and only sides im getting is night sweats sleeping better than ever also. So yes it affects everyone diffrently
Agreed bro, I need Caber with even a little Deca (250mg) but I have no issues on Tren. Night sweats sometimes, but no prolactin issues. I would still never run either without caber and hands just in case.
I've never ran deca only npp however never had any problems with it either. But like you said I'll definitely have it on hand. Worst comes to worst maybe I'll run deca one day and need it in which case I'll have it then.
Well if you can afford it and you don't mind pinning a lot more often, shorter esters are always the way to go.
I can afford it and I am used to being a pin cushion. When I work with short esters I cut my eod dosages in half and pin daily. I just have a bunch of long ester test so I figured I'd pair them.
Same here. I'm on trt so I just stick with test c. Cut with cycles I prefer shorter esters so I'm not waiting for the kick in, and then I don't have to wait for the esters to clear so I can hurry up and start a new cycle
We'll see what happens though. I like cyp personally. I have no experience with tren e or proviron however like I said I view proviron more as an ancillary than an aas even though it technically is an aas. Should all else fail I can back off the tren and will just run test c. But like I said, if I don't meet the goals set for myself anyway I'm not going to run anything as the cycle would be kinda pointless anyway. Personally I hate coming off but you gotta do what you gotta do.
I feel better than i did on just test.only but now im sick with a horrid cold so sweats ate even worse kind of sucks
I'm just wondering if this seems too excessive of a cycle is all. I mean it's only 2 compounds. I view proviron as an ancillary. Maybe I'm wrong but from what I've researched it seems to have no negative sides.
Is long as this isn't your first cycle I don't think it's too much at all. All your doses are very modest.
No not my first however it will be my first going into a cycle prepared to reap all of the benefits from it. I'm thinking about upping the tren to 400 and lowering the test to 375 a week though.