posted Wed, 11/06/2019 - 21:42
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50+ First ever cycle
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Looking to gain some lean mass with my first ever cycle. Kids are starting their own lives, business is on autopilot and now I can finally focus on me. Usually in the gym for at least 6-9 mo every year since 40yo to maintain fitness but looking to turn it up a notch. Sitting at 22% BF right now and have been hitting it hard doing two a days x 6 days per week for the last month (weights/cardio) trying to get down to 15% before kicking things off. Nutrition is set at 48%Protein/42%Carbs/10%Fat. Will do plenty of cardio for the last month of the cycle to try and dry out a bit. Looking for some feedback from the vets to see if this plan looks about right. Have done a bunch of research but just want to make sure I'm on the right track
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Dianabol | Arimidex | HCG | Clomid | Nolva |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 35mg ED | .5mg EOD | |||
| 2 | 500mg | 35mg ED | .5mg EOD | |||
| 3 | 500mg | 35mg ED | .5mg EOD | |||
| 4 | 500mg | 35mg ED | .5mg EOD | 500IU | ||
| 5 | 500mg | .5mg EOD | 500IU | |||
| 6 | 500mg | .5mg EOD | 500IU | |||
| 7 | 500mg | .5mg EOD | 500IU | |||
| 8 | 500mg | .5mg EOD | 500IU | |||
| 9 | 500mg | .5mg EOD | 500IU | |||
| 10 | 500mg | .5mg EOD | 500IU | |||
| 11 | 500mg | .5mg EOD | 500IU | |||
| 12 | 500mg | .5mg EOD | 500IU | |||
| 13 | 500IU | |||||
| 14 | 250IU EOD | |||||
| 15 | 500IU EOD | |||||
| 16 | 100mg ED | 40mg ED | ||||
| 17 | 100mg ED | 40mg ED | ||||
| 18 | 50mg ED | 20mg ED | ||||
| 19 | 50mg ED | 20mg ED |
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RustyhookerGot bloods done?
Bad layout.
Yep. Had to put the cycle on hold until I get the estrogen in check. Turns out I'm through the roof at 239. Definitely dropping the dbol for the first cycle and will be monitoring closely throughout.
Good catch, your Endo who turned you down for TRT should have caught this. My first Endo tested everything, Free test, total test, SHBG, aromatase, E2, even DHT (To check to see if I was "on").
in the end, my E2 was 162 pg/ml and test 92 ng/dl. I had not juiced in 5 or so years (was working overseas out of a locker room). Later ended up injured behind a desk and put on some weight. Putting on static weight = increase in E2.
.5 mg A-dex EOD for life (my insurance gives me generic Anastrozolol) coupled with TRT costs me $0 for RX and $25 a year for co-pay to redo labs. Makes drop down to TRT dose every year for a month.
Bottom line, your E2 is off the charts, I would go through a Dr. to fix it, not this board. You have a very real risk of cancer of the breast/prostate. At 162 pg/ml my Endo shit himself bending over backwards to have my mammaries out and A-dex in my medicine cabinet.
You might want to have your Endo, if he/she is also an Oncologist (mine was double specialized) to examine your mammary glands for swelling and cancer. I had mine out with the above readings with no real sign of gyno but insurance companies are happy to pay for preventative mammary gland removal over breast cancer treatment. My surgery co-pay is $150, now I can't get gyno...but, can still get prostate cancer, so will maintain the A-dex for life. It puts me right about 27 pg/ml which is perfect. Even on 500 m test weekly.
Excellent advice. Thanks a ton! Yeah, I blasted my original primary, who should have caught this 3mos ago when I went to him. Because of this board, I knew the right tests to ask him to have done this go around. His brilliant advice was "that's odd, just don't do any testosterone boosters". Gassed him and just got a new primary (who said they will be referring my to endo). Have my appt this week. Thanks a million for the advice so I know what questions to ask when I meet with them!
Though its a beginner run, its a well planned cycle. I'd keep the Dbol kicker but drop the dose to 20 mg ED. Youv'e even allotted for time for the test to leave system before you start Nolva Clomid PCT.
Inject your test E 250 mg twice a week, will make the test level stabilize faster with less peaks and troughs so less emotional highs and lows.Get your Estradiol (E2) tested privately ($70) about week 6 to make sure your not taking too much/little Adex. E2 should be well below but NO HIGHER than 39 pg/ml and NOT below 17 pg/ml.
Too much leads to gyno, prostate and breast cancer, too little means calcium depleted bones, low white blood cell count. At 22% BF your body is primed to produce Aromatase, its made in fat cells, the more fat you carry, the higher the rate your testosterone is converted to E2 by the higher fat built Aromatase Enzyme. So A-dex will help you store less fat on cycle, just don't kill your immune system with it!
Safe pinning!
Awesome advice! Thanks for the help. It's posts like this that make this site so valuable. All first timers want to rush into their first cycle (me included). Takes a lot of discipline to do it the right way. Can't stress it enough to anyone reading this post...listen to the vets on this board! Turned out was blowing hot on estrogen and may have run into serious complications had I started before getting my bloods. Only reason I did get the bloods and have put in 4 mos of hard work prior to jumping off was because of these guys. Have my follow up with the endo this week. Will be waiting until everything is in alignment before kicking off the cycle (hoping less than 30 days). Thanks again to everyone that has offered valuable advice.
RustyhookerIts a trash cycle
My first cycle was trash, test c 200 mg week 12 weeks + PCT started 4 weeks too soon. Still kept a lot of it once you account for the water.
RustyhookerThen dont give bad advice when you dont even know how to do it right. Thats blind leading the blind. Sit back and learn first.
Been juicing for 30 years brahhhh, his first cycle is very well researched and organized, not the hack job I see most gym rats posting...BTW, could you deadlift 555lbs @ 28 yo @ 87 kilos? I may not be in the 700 club but I still bend the bar :-)
At 15% BF Dbol could give u BP issues, Id cut it and add in Proviron alot more mild and will help the test be more effective. Consider running HCG the whole cycle do some research on it. Has some good benefits more than just PCT. If you really want dbol pre workout id take some a hour before with a meal but only 10-15mg ( light dosage use but less is more and if its good dbol itll still give you great pumps. Cheers
If it's your first cycle I would drop the dbol you'll get plenty of gains from the test alone. One you need to see how you react and 2 if you wait on the dbol until like the 3rd or 4th cycle it will help to put on size then. I would keep it at 30mg anyways. The rest looks good. I personally would wait on the dbol.
At your age I would also recommend going to the doctor for blood and have that checked you may need trt anyways and if that's the case you may get that notch up anyways. But regardless you should do your blood work just for base numbers alone
Thanks for the advice! Just got the blood work done, should have it on Friday just to get a baseline. No luck on trt. I had a basic test 3mo ago and came back at 425, so doc wouldn't sign off. You're killing me w/no dbol but you may be right. I'll make it a gametime decision lol. Thanks for looking it over.