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  • Edit3rd cycle: Test-E, Anavar, HGH

  • vascular   •   Wed, Nov 18th, '15 00:27   •   34 replies, 2953 views

Cycle layout

WeekTestosterone EnanthateAnavarHGHHCGClomidNovladexAromasin
1300mg2iu ED
2300mg2iu ED
3300mg2iu ED6.5mg EOD
4300mg2iu ED250ius 6.5mg EOD
5300mg2iu ED250ius 6.5mg EOD
6300mg50mg ED2iu ED250ius 6.5mg EOD
7300mg50mg ED2iu ED250ius 6.5mg EOD
8300mg50mg ED2iu ED250ius 6.5mg EOD
9300mg50mg ED2iu ED250ius 6.5mg EOD
10300mg50mg ED2iu ED250ius 6.5mg EOD
11300mg50mg ED2iu ED250ius 6.5mg EOD
12300mg2iu ED250ius 6.5mg EOD
132iu ED250ius 6.5mg EOD
142iu ED250ius 100mg ED40mg ED6.5mg EOD
152iu ED250ius 50mg ED20mg ED6.5mg EOD
162iu ED250ius 50mg ED20mg ED6.5mg EOD
172iu ED250ius 50mg ED20mg ED6.5mg EOD

Description, concerns and expectations

Age 35
5ft6"
165lbs
18% body fat

Goals:
This is my 3rd educated cycle after experimenting in my late 20s one cycle fraught with pure ignorance (SUS + Winny). These days I like to keep it simple and understand the effects and limits/sides on my body one compound at a time. Happy with straight TEST-E and an oral - seems to really give me the results I like.

Add 5lbs of lean muscle and KEEP IT. Change the body fat makeup of my body i.e. reduce body fat to 14%.

Re-abilitate from a hip replacement 18 months removed --> rebuild my core foundation muscles. Regain explosiveness and cardio.

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  • Kjun's picture
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  • Kjun
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I know this is a old post, however I'm wondering how everything worked out for you after your hip surgery? I'm basically in the same boat as we speak, but I'm pushing it off as long as i can. How long did it take you to recover and also hows it working out for you today?

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  • dimonddavidson
  • 3 years ago

God its good having you back on the boards.

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  • bigmurph
  • 3 years ago

In my opinion brother cycle looks great low dose test perfect same way i run
The only thing I would change is
No aromasin during pct also no hcg during pct
I like to stop hcg right before pct and I don't like running ai during pct because you're trying to turn everything back to normal and with the ai you are still suppressing your estro and you should be alright with estro since you run nolva
What about clomid I prefer both is there a reason you don't use it just curious
Good luck brother wish you all the gains in the world

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  • Rustyhooker
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Var 8-14. Test still boomin as it tapers off. Let var unbind sbh and do its job as high anabolic

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  • InadequacyJX
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Seems to be a fierce cycle, lad. I noticed the low dosage of HGH and highly recommend you to either cut it down to all but Somatropin or you could increase the dosage 5-10 times in order to see all the benefits from it.

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Looks good man. I like the low test and hgh combo. Me personally, I'd save the var 4 next go around. Get that bf down. Work hard n kitchen and n the gym.

U plan on 12 weeks 300mgs test e. Then week 13 pct, am I reading that right? If so, wait 2 weeks after last pin of test to start pct.

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I have modified the PCT timing on the cycle plan. Thanks man. Starts 2 weeks after last pin.

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Good job man best luck on your cycle.

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  • Meinuntergang
  • 3 years ago

Nice cycle but needs to be corrected:

Hgh - Not sure you'll benefit from it at such low dose unless you have been running it continuously for a while.

Test E - Why E? Why such low dose? Testosterone P stacks better with anavar and hgh for your stated goals and at 300 mg a week, you could ditch 'still keep it on hand' Aromasin, and that will save you $$$.

Anavar - Why 50 mg a day exactly? You do know that the half life is about 8-9 hours and its agreed upno that it's best to keep the blood levels stable which means that the daily dose should be divided into 3 doses.

Hcg - Please read more about it. It's not as harmless and many seem to believe and using it for extended periods of time will lead to future complications.

PCT - basic PCT doesn't work for everyone. Since this isn't your first cycle, try to remember the issues you faced after first cycle, i.E weight loss, loss of motivation, fat gain, etc and research each concern and how it could be tackled.

Fat loss - hmmm what about thermogenics? Or how about running an OTC thermogenic with a cardio routine prior to the cycle to improve your body composition? The body responds better to hormonal therapy 'greater results' when you're leaner.

Anyway, none of that matters if your diet and exercise are inadequate and you posted neither. You should add both and see what the guys have to say. Good luck.

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Thanks for the reply.

Hgh - Not sure you'll benefit from it at such low dose unless you have been running it continuously for a while. --> yes this is a continuation of HGH I have been on all year. Helped with my surgery recovery. 2iUs has done wonders for me. I'll keep it low does - I'm conservative re: HGH

Test E - Why E? Why such low dose? Testosterone P stacks better with anavar and hgh for your stated goals and at 300 mg a week, you could ditch 'still keep it on hand' Aromasin, and that will save you $$$.
--> I have experimented with 500mg and 300mg and I have received the same gains with 300mg with less sides (3-4lbs of lean muscle, body fat reduction and less back acne at lower dosage). Again just being conservative. To me I think diet is my biggest key - AAS is peripheral.

Anavar - Why 50 mg a day exactly? You do know that the half life is about 8-9 hours and its agreed upno that it's best to keep the blood levels stable which means that the daily dose should be divided into 3 doses.
50mg is the recommended minimal dose for men according to my research. I split the pills evening and morning.

Hcg - Please read more about it. It's not as harmless and many seem to believe and using it for extended periods of time will lead to future complications.
--> I have my doubts about it too. I have lowered my dosage thanks to your reminder :) Might drop it all together. I used on last cycle and shrinkage was managed well at about 250ius EOD

PCT - basic PCT doesn't work for everyone. Since this isn't your first cycle, try to remember the issues you faced after first cycle, i.E weight loss, loss of motivation, fat gain, etc and research each concern and how it could be tackled. --> PCT I posted was fine for me twice now. Really kept a lot of gains and felt mentally well.

Fat loss - hmmm what about thermogenics? Or how about running an OTC thermogenic with a cardio routine prior to the cycle to improve your body composition? The body responds better to hormonal therapy 'greater results' when you're leaner. --> I'm taking this to heart - I am going to lose 4% before starting this cycle. Get to 15% that's a promise. I'll do this in the kitchen with about 2,600 calorie plan based on my activity.

Anyway, none of that matters if your diet and exercise are inadequate and you posted neither. You should add both and see what the guys have to say. Good luck. --> working on it will update now.

Appreciate the input thanks again man.

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Glad to hear that bud, and congrats on the recovery.

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First cycle since 20's.

Less pins. Low dose to simply hold mass while hopefully busting cardio and nutrition full tilt.

10 weeker...pct week 12. Var at 50 to not cramp up. Highly anabolic.

Surgery is the complication though.....

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This is exactly what I was thinking when designing this cycle. Exactly those points. Crazy.

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Hard part for you will be when that var hits. Stick to volume and not strength. Recover the injuries and follow pt guidance. You know the drill on ligaments vs muscles. Im up 5 pounds natural...no gear since july using volume.

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So Rustyhookah, if anavar wasn't a controlled substance, they'd probably add it to those stupid heartburn commercials. Do you know of any remedies? It's getting really annoying/bad lol

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prilosec

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  • Meinuntergang
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Thanks man. Rusty, that stuff is gross lol

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I figured. Lotta dudes swear by it but as a kid pops used to dump vinegar and oil on our salads and forced to eat it. If its healthy....might be worth the nasty face. Lol

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Anyone try the apple cider vinegar trick? I might try it in upcoming cycle.

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It's not the worst thing I've ever put down but I definitely didn't enjoy it. Great natural diuretic to help with BP though.

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I'll have to brave it then in spring. Lol!!

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Im injection or drink it...lol. JK. How?

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  • switch87x
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I took it like a shot of alcohol. Have some chaser handy ;)

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everyday

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I personally like nexium, its the strongest otc heartburn med. The only differnece between nexium and the stuff you need a script for is litearlly doubling the dose of nexium, then you have rx version.

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Yeah I never understood why they'd have certain scripts besides it would make them more money. Like script ibprpfen, it's just 3 advil tablets in one.

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  • Camel de do
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didn't know much abt aromasin !!!

my bad sorry !!!!
always used arimidex !!!!

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  • switch87x
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You got some good advice on trying to get that body fat down before you start. I understand the difficulty of losing gains due to injury and surgery. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't work your way back up to your preinjury stats prior to starting your cycle. You have plenty of natural potential with proper dieting and training to the best of your ability. And pushing beyond that. That's my suggestion.

To answer a few of your questions. HCG should NOT be run through your PCT. You should be done with your HCG a week before your PCT starts. This is general consensus. Some will say you can run it right up to your PCT start but just research a bit on it and you'll come to your own educated conclusion. Dr Scally protocol.

I like your lower test dose. Actually I applaud it. But why 8 weeks of the var? That's going to be pretty harsh on the liver and cholesterol levels. I would rethink that.

Do you get bloods to back up your need for the aromasin? It's a strong AI and unless you're a very high converter I can't see you needing it at the dose of test you're planning on running. Your dosing schedule would also be wrong on that. At least not preferred. You need to base your AI off of your labs and the drug's half-life.

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I've lowered the plan to 6 weeks of Var. I need to listen to my liver! hehe

Never thought of bloods for Aro. That's very smart.

I used 6.5mg EOD last cycle and my bloat was so well contained. Also felt like I kept a lot more gains.

The reason I have Aro designed is because I'm prone to gyno :( Had adolescent gyno and I need to be careful.

What week do I get bloods to best test the Aro? I will book it.

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Week 5 bro. If your getting greasy estro signs...start liw dosed aro. Adjustments can be made.