3rd cycle sustanon, npp, winstrol
35 years old, 72in, 210lbs, 15%bf
Ive been lifting for 14 years and this will be my 3rd cycle. I have done one per year for the last 2 years. First was test cyp with deca. Second was sustanon with tren ace and dbol. My number one goal is increasing strength in the big 3 and getting a bit leaner would be nice too but not my top concern. I recently started going to a crossfit gym and enjoy that for gpp and learning Olympic lifts but again strength is my focus. This cycle I was attempting to find something that wouldn't negatively impact cardio. I listed the arimidex as every day but will use it as needed. I haven't had bad sides on past cycles just acne during pct and night sweats with the tren. Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.
| Week | Sustanon | Npp | Winstrol | Arimidex | Hcg | Clomid | Nolvadex |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 400mg/wk eod | 300mg/wk eod | - | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 2 | 400mg /wk eod | 300mg/wk eod | - | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 3 | 400mg /wk eod | 300mg /wk eod | - | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 4 | 400mg /wk eod | 300mg /wk eod | - | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 5 | 400mg /wk eod | 300mg /wk eod | - | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 6 | 400mg /wk eod | 300mg /wk eod | - | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 7 | 400mg /wk eod | 300mg/wk eod | - | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 8 | 400mg /wk eod | 300mg/wk eod | 50mg ed | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 9 | 400mg /wk eod | 300mg/wk eod | 50mg ed | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 10 | 400mg /wk eod | 300mg/wk eod | 50mg ed | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 11 | 400mg /wk eod | 300mg/wk eod | 50mg ed | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 12 | 400mg /wk eod | 300mg/wk eod | 50mg ed | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 13 | - | - | - | .25mg ed | - | - | - |
| 14 | - | - | - | - | 2000iu eod | 100mg ed | 40mg ed |
| 15 | - | - | - | - | 2000iu eod | 100mg ed | 40mg ed |
| 16 | - | - | - | - | 2000iu eod | 50mg ed | 20mg ed |
| 17 | - | - | - | - | - | 50mg ed | 20mg ed |
| 18 | - | - | - | - | - | - | 20mg ed |
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No caber , the rate not 2:1 and not even 2:1,5 , the hcg into th pct , the npp one week before sust , pct 3 weeks after sust , you need to edit your cycle , it's wrong
From a powerlifting standpoint, the best cycle is carbs carbs and more carbs. Also you will be doing less reps and higher weight. You also need to concentrate more on the negatives being very slow and powerful push offs. As far as cycle is concerned an easy one of test e or c of 600 or less should give you a better recovery after beating the shit out of your muscle.
I do mostly low rep ranges and did strictly powerlifting based programming until last July. I've been upping the carbs gradually, used to eat about 100g a day now around 300g. Probably not a bad idea to keep it simple and save some money while I'm at it. I'm liking the EQ suggestion by Gymjunkie01 the more I read about that compound.
eq is for long term commitment though, it will help you over time but we are talking a 20 week cycle versus 8 to 12. I dont bother with it as the rbc count is high and with the less rep high weight you will jave trouble catching your breath, unless you follow a 5X5 with 5 minute rests. The 5X5 with 5 minute rest intervals will get you strong but limit it to 4 weeks, then follow a 8 to 10 rep for another 4 weeks to gain some size. Sus would be a great addition with the fast and long esthers to keep you recovering, I would try a sus cycle of 500 with e2d pinning but it might be too much unless you are comfortable. Either way up your carbs to at minimum 300 and expect some fat accumulation but the strength will be huge.
I think if he extends it to at least 14 eq will give him solid lean gains and it goes well with sust
I agree, I wanted to add that but im at work and getting rushed around. It has great synergy as long as his rest periods are longer then average say maybe 2-5 minutes per 5 reps. He will be eating like a fkn monster so that will make the 330 grams of carbs easier to wash down lol What do you think? 600 or 800 a week? I was thinking 6 could give him what he needs and since it would be his 1st run he can gauge his results?
Why longer rest? I thought Eq would actually have a positive impact on cardio.
Because you are training for strength, not endurance, if you tried to push your 85% 1RM 5 times without taking a break between sets, you will hurt yourself or fail at rep 3 everytime.
Ok. I'm pretty familiar with programming for strength I just thought you were saying the need for rest was related to the use of Eq. Also I do want a cycle that doesn't negatively impact cardio endurance.
well then, you cant have both, either train for strength or train for size, a cycle is the same based on your goal(s)
I like 8 but he could start off at 6
Of course you like 8, your a monster.
Actually I go a gram personally
Ok is your main goal to gain strength and size ? Cause if so your cycle is a wreck I can help you get it straightened out brother .. You have compounds listed that's working against each other.. I have a motto everything needs to work in unison together to a common goal . So let me know what's most important to you and keys get this done
Yes strength and size are the goals. I think I ended up here by not committing to one goal and wanting everything from one cycle. I'm getting focused, upping the calories and ready for a strength and size cycle.
Ok then drop your orals its not helping you
Drop the npp replace with equipoise @800 a week then adjust on how well u respond to it
Run the sust at 750 mg a week
Dbol 1-4 weeks 50 mg a day
Extend your cycle to 14 weeks to get full bennifits of the equipoise .. Don't be afraid of putting some fat on . Equipoise will increase your apitite as well..
Do you think it needs to be that high? Based on studies showing diminishing returns over 600 mg/wk and generally wanting to be conservative I was thinking about half that total mg/wk. Also any tips on pinning for the sustanon? I assume eq would be fine at once per week but have seen many different recommendations for sustanon.
No equipoise is not fine at half that and sust should be pinned a minimum of 3 times a week
mustafa5903If your number 1 goal is increasing strength than drop the winny. Run halostein or anadrol
Another thing about winny. If you're looking to blast through plateaus than winny isn't for you since it aches your joints which won't be good if you're looking for strength
RustyhookerThird cycle ever with no real consistent priors? Not a real good option.
Crossfit also isnt typical strength excercises. So really need some details. Workout? Foods? No set priors....
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Diet is about 3000 calories, 250 protein 300 carbs 80 fat. Workout is squat bench deadlift 2x per week, 4 crossfit wods per week, some overlap there, and accessory/hypertrophy work on Saturday. Lifts now stand at 425 squat 495 deadlift 305 bench. Not super excited by those numbers and want to push it. I know cross fit doesn't get much love here bet it's been good for me and I do extra lifting outside of the programmed workouts.
Do you mean this isn't a good cycle because I have taken so long between cycles? What are your thoughts?
RustyhookerThere's a good number of powerlifters on here. I'd find and chat with them. Their experience cant be bought...good dudes and grrl as well. Dbg, gymjunkie01, irish mack and others.
I personally think its a bit over the top. If you were more experienced then possibly rework. Good test cycle with var tail end puts my strength up. My goals are different but anavar has impressed me in that regard.
Adex too soon can crash your estro and all gains stop. Might look more at .25e3d at week 4 unless your prior bloods tell you that you're estro prone.
I'll see if I can get gymjunkie in here for power talk.
Good to hear you think it's over the top. When I started thinking about this I was going to keep it around 600mg per week total but I let it creep higher and higher as I thought about it.
Thanks man. I think I will go with anadrol. I've been indecisive about where to go with this cycle but your right. Thanks for the advice.
mustafa5903Def bro. One of my favs. I ran a cycle just like this before so hit me up if you need guidance