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  • Edit3 cycle - first short

  • Teox   •   Mon, Sep 5th, '16 10:21   •   28 replies, 542 views

Cycle layout

WeekTest prop (EoD)Aromasin - E.dayNolvadexClomid
1150 mg6,25 mg
2150 mg6,25 mg
3150 mg6,25 mg
4150 mg6,25 mg
5150 mg6,25 mg
6150 mg6,25 mg
740100
840100
92050
2050

Description, concerns and expectations

Hallo. I'm 52, 84 kgx1,79 and 17% . This will be my third cycle, the others were classics 12 weeks of Test E and a PCT Novaldex 40 40 20 20 and clomid 100 100 50 50 . I used to have one big cycle a year, but I found that between two great cycles I could have a short one to maintain and gain weight, what do you think? Of course doing proper break betweeen ( cycle + pct = rest ). I ld start the Pct a few days after the 'last injection, is it all right? What do you think about Dbol at 50 a day, too much? I start use Aromasin at 6.25 but if there are problems, they will be increase.
What do you think about it ? Any suggestion?

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Because of your higher bodyfat percentage i would recommend just using test again for this cycle as you'd be able to put on lean tissue and keep fat gain to a bare minimum with a proper diet. On high test with diet 100 percent on point i can gain tissue and lose bodyfat at the same time. High bodyfat + dbol = nothing good and tons of estrogen.

What I do like about your ideas here though is running 2 cycles a year instead of 1 big cycle a year. I find that layout to be better, but I would extend the 2 cycles per year length to 8 weeks each instead of 6.

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Actualy my idea is already to pass at 2 cycles, one 10 weeks in spring/summer
the other as you said at 8 weeks fall/winter. I'm still working to reduce % of fat , now at 16 .
I've already order Test.Prop and Dbol for 6 weeks, what do you think, i should use just the test.prop. or in some way exploit the D.bol.? Thanks in advance ...

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Just run the test prop for this one. Then when you get lean (after PCT and time off) when you're ready to do a bulking cycle at a lower bodyfat percentage, then use the dbol.

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ok. i'll do like that , thanks... I'll let you know

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I would just order Test. Test is and always be number one building block.

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Ok, so i give the Dbol to the cat, hahah joking .
Anyway thanks for the advise

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Lol...meow...:)

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I really don't know why guys choose dbol or any orals beside PCT to run with there first cycles. I'm guessing it's to see the changes? " holding water" will change your body and make you feel bigger fuller but in the long run you'll want to loose that water anyways. To me it's just to confusing with first cycles. Gain,loose,gain,loose... why not just gain? Remember dbol only has a 6-8 Hr half life anyways. This maybe a lot for first time users to remember and get there schedule down?? Or just stick to one compound and don't worry about any other compounds until your ready? I takes a lot for first cycles it's like baby sitting yourself.

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ok, but is not my first , as i wrote is the third and now i just would like to have two cycles per year that's it, if dbol is not advisable i 'll use only Test. P. , i'll continue to learn.
Thanks

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  • Richard.Simmons
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Where here to help.

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  • Makwa
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What are you trying to do here? Bulk or cut?

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I'm guess cut. Do to the BF% and the use of prop.

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What has me a little confused is the use of prop and and dbol. I wouldn't expect dbol for a cut or really going with prop for a bulk. And only 6wks??

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Prop is for cut only ?

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  • happycapy
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Cutting or bulking you can do pretty much with whatever gear you choose, it's all diet oriented. Generally Prop is for cutting because it doesn't make you retain water as much as the longer ester tests, i.e.: cyp and enanthate. In the same sense that dbol is used generally for bulk because it too makes you retain water, a lot of water. Generally an oral used for cutting would be winstrol, no water or little water retention. I'm not recommending winny at all, just saying.

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As i said i would like gain few KG but above all do not lose a lot of mass waiting next big cycle (12 weeks) will start next spring/summer. I would like have a short cycle just in the middle of two big cycles .

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Well eat and lift big

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  • Richard.Simmons
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Whats the dbol for??

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I would like to maintain and gain weight, that s because i think to do it between two big cycles , what do you think ?

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You'll just be holding water.

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  • Makwa
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I think you are cycling at too high of a bodyfat if you are trying to gain more mass. You are going to gain more fat mass and less lean mass starting out that high.

https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/scientific-proof-lower-your-bf-before-cycling

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ok, thks, I will try to lose more fat as possible in these two months, i will start it in November.
About the cycle? any advice ?

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  • irongame427
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I like the short cycles for bulks, 8-10 weekers with short esters like prop or even better test phenylpropionate and npp with dbol. Seems like I make my best gains the first 8-10 weeks, they come very quick the first 8-10 weeks then slow down despite upping calories and such. After that gains are slow so my thinking is why stay on, better to come off so less off time then get back on quicker. I make better gains with two 8-10 week cycles then one 20 weeker.

With that said I would go a bit longer then 5 weeks, muscle does take time to build even with steroids. I would go 8 weeks minimum. Same doses just extend the cycle to 8 weeks, shutdown won't be much different, and the gains will be much better. I've read a lot about short cycles like or even shorter. Just never tried it myself.

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Sounds good, i could have two cycles at year, one of 8 W (autumn) and other 10 W (spring_summer), nice advise, you said same doses so 50 mg of dbol ed is good also for 8 weeks? PCT starts few days after last pin since the short ester, is it correct ? Thanks in advance

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  • Richard.Simmons
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Test is the safest steroid with a high rate of side effects but all of them are easy to control to a reasonable degree if you know what you're doing. Dianabol,every day the first 6 weeks you can take the entire dose all at once or you can split it into two doses per day say 15mg in the morning and 10mg at night. The use of Dbol you will add mass and strength very quickly as the Testosterone builds in your system. What are you trying to get out of this 12 week cycle? I would just do a Test only cycle again.

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so you mean a dbol dose at 25 mg a day only? and if i want do a 8 weeks?? thanks

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I don't see why you wouldn't just run another 12 week test E cycle and this time with dbol.

Don't fix it if it ain't broken
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/for-the-average-gym-rat

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i ll do that, next long cycle (12 weeks)in nex spring/summer , i just want do two at year and two long cycles in a year with a proper rest is iust not possible so a short one i hope is a solution, is also more safe and short to recover, i just want some advise if si like that.